I have a 4-year-old Corgi that my girlfriend brought into our house so I think I have some means to judge here.
Dogs shit everywhere… outside. Not everyone cleans it all the way up, nor get it all out of the patches of grass where I happen to step. I have a dedicated shit brush specifically for this issue. They’re just nasty as fuck for that honestly, the dogs and the owners. They don’t shit in the house if you’re a competent owner.
They bark at noise disturbances which scares the shit out of me every time. Some people also just leave their mutts outside to harass neighbors walking by as they bark at about 500 decibels. Again, owner and animal issue both.
Cats are way more stubborn but you don’t rely on them to follow commands. Dogs will violently try to pull you over if they want to go do something while on a walk, and training that out of them is unbelievably difficult and won’t always stick. They are also implicitly aggressive animals, and need that to be trained out of them as well. Basically, we as humans are trying to cover up the violent nature of a stupid animal by telling it “good boy” when it doesn’t maul Timmy’s face off. Again, that doesn’t always stick either.
Dogs require WAY more work and are not rewarding at all to me. I hate the things that fundamentally make them dogs.
You’re not wrong, and I prefer cats as well…but cats are violent, homicidal monsters and if they were big enough they would absolutely murder the fuck out of you (as soon as they were done toying with you).
Yes, luckily they are not big enough and their aggression is mostly just funny. I wouldn’t want a cat around my kid unsupervised though. Same with dogs.
It really sounds like your problems are with dog owners and not the animal itself. It also sounds like your dog sucks or you’re a bad owner yourself…The majority of them are VERY easy to train as millenias of domestication has made them people-pleasers.
This puppy is the first dog I’ve had that I’ve been fully responsible for training and he learned to not do all those things in the first two weeks with minimal effort. He shits in the same spot outside, doesn’t pull on the leash, and only barks when he can’t get to me (like if he falls asleep in the hallway and I close the door). The biggest struggle has been getting him to stop chewing on the rugs. Meanwhile, you’ll never train a cat to not rip up your furniture, chew wires, or knock stuff off shelves - you just have to take steps to mitigate and live with it.
That’s an insane take on their nature, too. Cats are equally “implicitly aggressive” (they famously kill birds just for fun). Do you live somewhere with only junkyards and drug dealers or something? Dogs are inherently friendly animals. Mine has met 5 cats now (introducing him early so he’ll be excited when I adopt one next year) and 100% of the aggression came from the cats.
Dogs require WAY more work and are not rewarding at all to me. I hate the things that fundamentally make them dogs.
I won’t try to convince anyone to get a dog - they’re not for everyone - but as someone with a ton of experience with both and who loves both equally, you’re wrong about what “fundamentally make[s] them dogs”.
Since we’re throwing shade, I should let you know that no matter how often you change the litter box, your house smells. You might not notice it but your guests do
That’s an insane take on their nature, too. Cats are equally “implicitly aggressive” (they famously kill birds just for fun).
Tbf, cat kills a bird, it’s just “oh no, poor bird.” But when a dog mauls a kid seems like it’s sorta worse.
Also, good, be a little hunter kitty. She kills all the palmetto bugs that get in for me, she does a good job! And when she’s not doing that she’s laying in my lap purring like right now.
Yes good. If you don’t want to die get the fuck out of my house without permission, and them roaches didn’t knock they just snuck in and made themselves at home. They can get mauled by my house tiger idgaf.
It really sounds like your problems are with dog owners and not the animal itself
A lot of them, yes.
your dog sucks
Yes, he’s a Covid puppy who never got socialized until he was like 2.
The majority of them are VERY easy to train
You are on crack
Cats are equally “implicitly aggressive”
Moreso than dogs I would say, but a cat can’t bite my fingers off or maul kids to death. There are 5 million reported dog bites in the US per year. Do you know how bad a dog bite has to be for it to actually be reported??
I should let you know that no matter how often you change the litter box, your house smells
When I lived with a cat I always noticed that. Bothered me a lot. If I were to get another cat I would put a lot of money and time into smell reduction, but I don’t think that’s going to happen because kids are in my future and Toxoplasma is real.
I’m not on crack. I volunteered at a shelter (cats/dogs) for 6 years and another shelter (cats/dogs/rabbits) for 2 more. I have a lot of experience with animals even outside of having at least one pet in my home for 95% of my life. Very few dogs are untrainable and even fewer from birth… It’s usually the result of abuse or years of neglect. (ETA: only having experience with bad neighbors and one dog of your own doesn’t really give you “a means to judge”)
Likewise, there’s very few “bad” cats - though I’d wager the percentage is higher given the prevalence of feral cats. They are MUCH less domesticated and will “revert” to being completely feral in one generation. Not a bad thing, just pointing it out.
The majority of dogs don’t need to be trained to not rip a toddler’s fade off and those that do are usually from breeds that were bred for aggression. Pitbulls, as much as I love them, are in that category. Golden Retrievers are not.
Likewise, there’s very few “bad” cats - though I’d wager the percentage is higher given the prevalence of feral cats.
Hang on now, stray cats are not “bad cats,” they’re just wild and free, abiding by their own rules and slow to trust strangers. If you try to put them in a situation they don’t like they may defend themselves, but defense != aggression nor is it “bad,” it’s a natural reaction to aggression like say capturing the wild kitty.
If you know what you’re doing, you can even make friends with some strays, but some just don’t want anything to do with you and that’s ok too, I respect them.
Dogs OTOH if I see a stray I’m like “fuck am I gonna have to mace this dude?” I would rather run into a stray cat than a stray dog any day, because worst case with the cat is “it won’t let me pet it” and worst case with the dog is “it tries to fight me and I have to hit it with the hot sauce.”
I like some (owned) dogs fwiw, if it’s cool and not half my size and jumping on me with wet ass feet, but strays and my pets it’s no contest I prefer cats.
I said “bad” cats - as in “hard to train/untrainable” in the context of my comment.
The rest of your comment is also about aggression towards humans even though in my previous reply I was speaking about aggression in general but I’ll respond to it anyway: Of course a tiny feral cat is less likely to square up with a human…they know they’re one kick from death. Towards smaller animals, stray cats are absolutely more aggressive. Even house cats kill for fun.
None of this is admonishment (except toward owners who let their cats roam the neighborhood), by the way. I love cats. I’m just not into the toxoplasmosis-driven defending them as perfect little creatures who do no wrong
Sure cats can do wrong, but let’s be real that whole “aggressive towards humans” thing isn’t so easily hand waved away by saying “well cats kill small stuff.” Yeah they do, but “small stuff” and “humans” are of differing levels of importance, at least to me. You may value the life of the cockroach my cat kills the same as a human a dog mauls, but imo one is clearly worse.
All right, you’ve moved the goalposts pretty far. A feral dog being more dangerous to humans than a cat doesn’t mean they’re a more inherently aggressive animal like the person I was replying to said.
I’m just saying that “aggressive” in terms of a cat vs in terms of a dog are two wildly different things. Idgaf if a cat eats a bird or a bug but I do care about people being mauled by dogs.
Hell, I eat birds too, can’t get that mad at it. I don’t maul people though.
I have a 4-year-old Corgi that my girlfriend brought into our house so I think I have some means to judge here.
Dogs shit everywhere… outside. Not everyone cleans it all the way up, nor get it all out of the patches of grass where I happen to step. I have a dedicated shit brush specifically for this issue. They’re just nasty as fuck for that honestly, the dogs and the owners. They don’t shit in the house if you’re a competent owner.
They bark at noise disturbances which scares the shit out of me every time. Some people also just leave their mutts outside to harass neighbors walking by as they bark at about 500 decibels. Again, owner and animal issue both.
Cats are way more stubborn but you don’t rely on them to follow commands. Dogs will violently try to pull you over if they want to go do something while on a walk, and training that out of them is unbelievably difficult and won’t always stick. They are also implicitly aggressive animals, and need that to be trained out of them as well. Basically, we as humans are trying to cover up the violent nature of a stupid animal by telling it “good boy” when it doesn’t maul Timmy’s face off. Again, that doesn’t always stick either.
Dogs require WAY more work and are not rewarding at all to me. I hate the things that fundamentally make them dogs.
You’re not wrong, and I prefer cats as well…but cats are violent, homicidal monsters and if they were big enough they would absolutely murder the fuck out of you (as soon as they were done toying with you).
Yes, luckily they are not big enough and their aggression is mostly just funny. I wouldn’t want a cat around my kid unsupervised though. Same with dogs.
It really sounds like your problems are with dog owners and not the animal itself. It also sounds like your dog sucks or you’re a bad owner yourself…The majority of them are VERY easy to train as millenias of domestication has made them people-pleasers.
This puppy is the first dog I’ve had that I’ve been fully responsible for training and he learned to not do all those things in the first two weeks with minimal effort. He shits in the same spot outside, doesn’t pull on the leash, and only barks when he can’t get to me (like if he falls asleep in the hallway and I close the door). The biggest struggle has been getting him to stop chewing on the rugs. Meanwhile, you’ll never train a cat to not rip up your furniture, chew wires, or knock stuff off shelves - you just have to take steps to mitigate and live with it.
That’s an insane take on their nature, too. Cats are equally “implicitly aggressive” (they famously kill birds just for fun). Do you live somewhere with only junkyards and drug dealers or something? Dogs are inherently friendly animals. Mine has met 5 cats now (introducing him early so he’ll be excited when I adopt one next year) and 100% of the aggression came from the cats.
I won’t try to convince anyone to get a dog - they’re not for everyone - but as someone with a ton of experience with both and who loves both equally, you’re wrong about what “fundamentally make[s] them dogs”.
Since we’re throwing shade, I should let you know that no matter how often you change the litter box, your house smells. You might not notice it but your guests do
Tbf, cat kills a bird, it’s just “oh no, poor bird.” But when a dog mauls a kid seems like it’s sorta worse.
Also, good, be a little hunter kitty. She kills all the palmetto bugs that get in for me, she does a good job! And when she’s not doing that she’s laying in my lap purring like right now.
No…not good
Yes good. If you don’t want to die get the fuck out of my house without permission, and them roaches didn’t knock they just snuck in and made themselves at home. They can get mauled by my house tiger idgaf.
A lot of them, yes.
Yes, he’s a Covid puppy who never got socialized until he was like 2.
You are on crack
Moreso than dogs I would say, but a cat can’t bite my fingers off or maul kids to death. There are 5 million reported dog bites in the US per year. Do you know how bad a dog bite has to be for it to actually be reported??
When I lived with a cat I always noticed that. Bothered me a lot. If I were to get another cat I would put a lot of money and time into smell reduction, but I don’t think that’s going to happen because kids are in my future and Toxoplasma is real.
I’m not on crack. I volunteered at a shelter (cats/dogs) for 6 years and another shelter (cats/dogs/rabbits) for 2 more. I have a lot of experience with animals even outside of having at least one pet in my home for 95% of my life. Very few dogs are untrainable and even fewer from birth… It’s usually the result of abuse or years of neglect. (ETA: only having experience with bad neighbors and one dog of your own doesn’t really give you “a means to judge”)
Likewise, there’s very few “bad” cats - though I’d wager the percentage is higher given the prevalence of feral cats. They are MUCH less domesticated and will “revert” to being completely feral in one generation. Not a bad thing, just pointing it out.
The majority of dogs don’t need to be trained to not rip a toddler’s fade off and those that do are usually from breeds that were bred for aggression. Pitbulls, as much as I love them, are in that category. Golden Retrievers are not.
Hang on now, stray cats are not “bad cats,” they’re just wild and free, abiding by their own rules and slow to trust strangers. If you try to put them in a situation they don’t like they may defend themselves, but defense != aggression nor is it “bad,” it’s a natural reaction to aggression like say capturing the wild kitty.
If you know what you’re doing, you can even make friends with some strays, but some just don’t want anything to do with you and that’s ok too, I respect them.
Dogs OTOH if I see a stray I’m like “fuck am I gonna have to mace this dude?” I would rather run into a stray cat than a stray dog any day, because worst case with the cat is “it won’t let me pet it” and worst case with the dog is “it tries to fight me and I have to hit it with the hot sauce.”
I like some (owned) dogs fwiw, if it’s cool and not half my size and jumping on me with wet ass feet, but strays and my pets it’s no contest I prefer cats.
I said “bad” cats - as in “hard to train/untrainable” in the context of my comment.
The rest of your comment is also about aggression towards humans even though in my previous reply I was speaking about aggression in general but I’ll respond to it anyway: Of course a tiny feral cat is less likely to square up with a human…they know they’re one kick from death. Towards smaller animals, stray cats are absolutely more aggressive. Even house cats kill for fun.
None of this is admonishment (except toward owners who let their cats roam the neighborhood), by the way. I love cats. I’m just not into the toxoplasmosis-driven defending them as perfect little creatures who do no wrong
Sure cats can do wrong, but let’s be real that whole “aggressive towards humans” thing isn’t so easily hand waved away by saying “well cats kill small stuff.” Yeah they do, but “small stuff” and “humans” are of differing levels of importance, at least to me. You may value the life of the cockroach my cat kills the same as a human a dog mauls, but imo one is clearly worse.
All right, you’ve moved the goalposts pretty far. A feral dog being more dangerous to humans than a cat doesn’t mean they’re a more inherently aggressive animal like the person I was replying to said.
I’m just saying that “aggressive” in terms of a cat vs in terms of a dog are two wildly different things. Idgaf if a cat eats a bird or a bug but I do care about people being mauled by dogs.
Hell, I eat birds too, can’t get that mad at it. I don’t maul people though.
Our neighborhood has a lot of stray cats and boy howdy do they shit everywhere. They also like to dig up mulch like kitty litter.