• Saif [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    so once again, “drawing Muhammad in your own home” is not the question at hand here, you accept this. now you need to accept that nobody gives a shit about questioning the “morality” of drawing Muhammad in a vacuum just as no leftist with half a brain thinks the literal letter structure of the n-word is morally evil on its own. we’re talking about cultural contexts. and just as it’s morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards black people, it’s morally wrong to go out of your way to be racist towards Muslims. and it takes a bizarre amount of effort in this context as well, i mean you are arguing for the right for people to make elaborate art just to be racist.

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      there is literally nothing racist about drawing muhammad as a statement that you dont respect religious guidelines, just in the same way there’s nothing racist about waving a pride flag in a christian’s face. when people try to impose their religious rules on you and you decide to go out of your way to disrespect those rules, that isnt fucking racist.

      these people the OP is talking about are almost certainly racist, yes, but it is not racist to draw muhammad

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        muslims are a race, and its racist to draw muhammad now, read the room my friend. this is the way of things. stop trying to conflate everything under the western conception of “religion” as if you can approach them all in the exact same way, you imperialist fuck. come to each one humbly with your head bowed, and attempt to learn something new about a different culture, for once in your fucking life.

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            race is a social construct and not a biological one, and if you spend 5 seconds looking at the Western discourse you will see that Muslims have undergone racialization. how have you missed this?

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              ok, if they’re a race then they don’t have religious rules i need to respect because races are something you are born into and not sets of beliefs that you follow and impose on others

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                sure, if that’s the tack you want to go on. now that we’ve established islam has been racialized, and that it’s extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression (again take 5 seconds to look at the discourse), can we agree it’s fucking racist to do it? and there’s precedence of course - culture is a fickle thing and anything can be turned into a slur with enough effort by racists, and we’re not even talking about a word, we’re talking about elaborately drawing something lmao.

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                  sure, if that’s the tack you want to go on. now that we’ve established islam has been racialized, and that it’s extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression

                  why is it racial oppression to draw pictures of some guy? it’s against muslims religious beliefs, but we’re not talking about a religion here, we’re talking about a race.

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                    because racists have turned it into racial oppression? i just said culture is a fickle thing and this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.