We don’t know the details yet. But, if this stabber was a white kid, we’d all be talking about mental health. Non-white kids of immigrants can also have mental health issue. But the worse of the country jump straight to racism, blaming the culture of the immigrant. If this lad grew up here, he has been surrounded by our culture. If there is mental health issues, it’s our fault it wasn’t caught in time. If he went mental for cultural reasons, we can’t wash our hands of that either. If we want assimilation, we can’t other people.
People imagining something awful for years will be triggered when it finally (allegedly) happens but their fears are ultimately based on fearmongering.
Plenty of people are scared of the two assasinations of MPs by right wing lunatics.
Or that mosque pipe bombing
Or lots of other things that happen over and over because of these problematic communities you mention. Do we really need to understand the hate and intolerance to punish it? I don’t think so
Fair point, although I’d consider islamic extremism to be pretty far right. It’s just a different branch of far right to the BNP/EDL-style nationalism.
That’s true. When I see “far right terrorism” it certainly conjures images in my mind of nationalist terrorism, despite islamic terrorism literally, by definition, being right wing.
It’s probably indeed better to say “islamic terrorism” if you want to avoid ambiguity. Personally I think we should apply the same treatment to nationalist terrorism, but I think the boat has sailed on that one.
They’re conservative religious views. Of course it’s right wing. Same as conservative Christians in the US or Uganda, or the Hindu nationalism we see in India.
This sort of claim always strikes me as fairly cheap politics by people on the left.
I disagree. It’s just calling a spade a spade.
From the Wikipedia summary on far-right politics, which I found to be a fair description:
“Far-right politics, or right-wing extremism, is a spectrum of political thought that tends to be radically conservative, ultra-nationalist, and authoritarian, often also including nativist tendencies.”
“Contemporary definitions now include neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, racial supremacism and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views.”
“Far-right politics have led to oppression, political violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or conservative social institutions.”
Seems to me that islamism lines up with that very well.
'When people do bad things it’s right-wing, when they do good things it’s left-wing.’ etc
Respectfully, that’s not true.
You find very, very few people who call Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc right wing. Far less than you see far-right people trundle out the tired “Nazis were left wing because National Socialists” nonsense.
For a lot of people they voted for Brexit for lower immigration even when people said it would be bad for the economy. Instead they got more immigration from the third world.
Consistently for decades the British have wanted less immigration and instead got more.
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We don’t know the details yet. But, if this stabber was a white kid, we’d all be talking about mental health. Non-white kids of immigrants can also have mental health issue. But the worse of the country jump straight to racism, blaming the culture of the immigrant. If this lad grew up here, he has been surrounded by our culture. If there is mental health issues, it’s our fault it wasn’t caught in time. If he went mental for cultural reasons, we can’t wash our hands of that either. If we want assimilation, we can’t other people.
Well said.
Thank you. I expected to be download badly. Nice to be wrong about that.
People imagining something awful for years will be triggered when it finally (allegedly) happens but their fears are ultimately based on fearmongering.
Plenty of people are scared of the two assasinations of MPs by right wing lunatics.
Or that mosque pipe bombing Or lots of other things that happen over and over because of these problematic communities you mention. Do we really need to understand the hate and intolerance to punish it? I don’t think so
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Fair point, although I’d consider islamic extremism to be pretty far right. It’s just a different branch of far right to the BNP/EDL-style nationalism.
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That’s true. When I see “far right terrorism” it certainly conjures images in my mind of nationalist terrorism, despite islamic terrorism literally, by definition, being right wing.
It’s probably indeed better to say “islamic terrorism” if you want to avoid ambiguity. Personally I think we should apply the same treatment to nationalist terrorism, but I think the boat has sailed on that one.
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Nope. You’ve lost me there.
They’re conservative religious views. Of course it’s right wing. Same as conservative Christians in the US or Uganda, or the Hindu nationalism we see in India.
I disagree. It’s just calling a spade a spade.
From the Wikipedia summary on far-right politics, which I found to be a fair description:
Seems to me that islamism lines up with that very well.
Respectfully, that’s not true.
You find very, very few people who call Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc right wing. Far less than you see far-right people trundle out the tired “Nazis were left wing because National Socialists” nonsense.
It’s a fair point, thanks for the correction.
Not sure how I got the wrong impression, probably heard he’d been killed for being too woke or something.
For a lot of people they voted for Brexit for lower immigration even when people said it would be bad for the economy. Instead they got more immigration from the third world.
Consistently for decades the British have wanted less immigration and instead got more.
Surprised it has taken this long really.