At least 25 rallies thought to be planned as religious leaders condemn attempts to sow hatred after Southport killings
  • wolfylow@lemmy.worldEnglish
    692·
    2 months ago

    I think this is what happens when mainstream political parties legitimise this kind of anti-immigrant rhetoric.

    Everyone is pointing at social media, what about Sunak/Braverman/Patel? Not to mention the odious Farage.

    I lay a lot of the blame at their feet.

    And also - I realise it makes no sense (the perpetrator is British born!) but as has so often been said: You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. So yeah, here we are. Madness.

  • FelixCress@lemmy.worldEnglish
    321·
    2 months ago

    I still remember what my grandfather who fought in WW2 told me: “You don’t speak to nazis. You shoot nazis.”

    Times have changed, so I would be entirely happy with all the Nazis deported to Rwanda.

  • Naich@lemmings.worldEnglish
    322·
    2 months ago

    I left Reddit to get away from all the racist wankers and their “legitimate concerns”, and now they seem to be turning up here. Great.

      • roboto@feddit.orgEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        I agree but I rather worry that they’ll take over here as well because more people read this and are like „wtf I’m out“. That’s what happened with me on Reddit too. I was still lurking before the blackout but it was often already kinda bad.

        However now if I look at Reddit it’s no different than Facebook or instagram because I assume many mods left, and I mean those who actually cared about their community vs being in power. I think it’s bad if these „opinions“ are here, even though they get downvoted to oblivion. They will just poison the discourse.

        And don’t get me wrong, plurality of opinion is very important. But Nazi bots do not play by the rules, they do not contribute to said plurality, they want to destroy it and take over any space where people exchange opinions.

        • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          I agree just blocking people isn’t a good strategy long-term. Lemmy at least needs support for collaborative block lists.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    2 months ago

    Holy shit these early comments. Who the fuck rang the bell over at Racists R Us?

  • VeganPizza69 Ⓥ@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    2 months ago

    It’s bad faith. Mentioning facts to them is pointless, this is the result of allowing these assholes to recruit and organize for years.

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    2 months ago
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    • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      343·
      2 months ago

      These far right roots are rioting because of bullshit. The murderer wasn’t Muslim but the fascists still used that fake pretext to stir up trouble.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      27·
      2 months ago

      This was absolutely born out of of racism and propaganda. The guy who did it is from Wales. They rioted because they were told he was an immigrant.

      And yes there are bad parts in any city that harass women. That’s why they prefer the bear. It has nothing to do with being an immigrant or not.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
          101·
          2 months ago

          Sure, but one terrorist attack does not justify another. And crime stats just don’t support this idea of immigrant criminality.

    • gmtom@lemmy.worldEnglish
      282·
      2 months ago

      There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.

      No there isn’t. This is just daily mail nonsense.

      Source: I’m visibly gay and live in one of these famous “no go areas”

    • KevonLooney@lemm.eeEnglish
      233·
      2 months ago

      There were neighborhoods in cities in both of these countries that if you’re a non Muslim or if you don’t follow the strict rules like women wearing headscarves, you get harassed and attacked.

      Name the cities and neighborhoods or you’re lying. It’s possible someone mislead you, but if you repeat it without verification you’re still lying.

      This is like the thing conservatives said about “cities burning to the ground” because of BLM. Whenever you looked into it, it was some rando not associated with any group. Or possibly a right-wing agitator.

      Stop repeating the game of telephone. You can literally go to Saudi Arabia without wearing a headscarf. You think Paris is going to be stricter?

    • saltesc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      2 months ago

      I think it’s fine to be pissed off about any religion, especially if it’s bringing harm and unrest to a community/culture. Historically kind of religion’s thing…

      But the second anyone brings ethnicity into it…

        • SuckMyWang@lemmy.worldEnglish
          112·
          2 months ago

          It’s a lie. Just like being anti Zionist is racist. It’s not. Can happily critisize problematic teachings of religious doctrines while having zero problems with a person of that race who also disagrees with the doctrine.

          • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            Can happily critisize problematic teachings of religious doctrines while having zero problems with a person of that race who also disagrees with the doctrine.

            What race? If you criticize a religion in a way that sounds like you’re attacking a particular race, you’re either being speaking from a place of racism, or you need to seriously rethink the way you’re expressing your criticism.

            • SuckMyWang@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              No. If you read the thread this is in reference to people who attempt to tie their own race with religion. Eg Jewish people who believe an anti Zionist statement is anti Jewish or a criticism of parts of the Koran is somehow an attack on Arab people

    • AWittyUsername@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      2 months ago

      It’s thin air and racism. To argue other than that is ignorance and racism. Attacking innocent people no matter what you think a select few from their community do is racism.

  • Cam@lemmy.worldEnglish
    364·
    2 months ago

    The police should be worried about them “fiery but mostly peaceful protestors”, not anything that is labelled as “right wing”.

    • Why9@lemmy.worldEnglish
      331·
      2 months ago

      Ok, let’s compare, shall we?

      Millions of people out protesting over the murder of thousands of children in Gaza, and protesting the UK’s complicity in those crimes by directly sending weapons to Israel. No crimes committed, no riots, no disorder. There were a couple who held up flags and inflammatory symbols or shouted crude slogans and they went peacefully when they were arrested.

      Thousands of children murdered, peaceful protest.

      In contrast, a far-right counter protest against the Palestine march in London ends with the thugs clashing with police, being violent and causing damage https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-far-right-football-hooligans-blamed-violence-pro-palestinian-march-london/

      Recently, 3 girls brutally and abhorrently murdered in Southport, but EDL thugs who honestly couldn’t care less about the victims and just wanted a scrap, took to the streets and torched police vehicles, injured many offers. The perpetrator ended up being a Christian, and yet the EDL mob went and targeted a mosque.

      3 children murdered, outright anarchy.

      EDL have proven that they’re just in it for the fight. They just want blood and they don’t care what the trigger is. Absolutely pathetic. They piss about in school, get bugger all in the way of grades and end up at the building site, blaming immigrants for their troubles. Spineless knobgobblers, the lot of them.