• BlackLaZoR@kbin.run
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    4 months ago

    First, the notion that somone producing goods I’m paying for the amount they ask is somehow exploitative is ridiculous.

    Second, Poland has almost no economic ties neither with africa, nor vietnam. We have a lot of trade with the rest of EU and China

    Third: CHINEESE ARE EARNING ON AVERAGE TWICE WHAT WE IN POLAND DO

    Forth: European Union has Tarifs on products from OUTSIDE

    EU DOESN’T EVEN WANT CHEAP PRODUCTS FROM VIETNAM OR AFRICA

    They want the goods to be produced INSIDE the EU!!!

    What you just said is all wrong on so many levels that’s it makes me cringe.

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      First, the notion that somone producing goods I’m paying for the amount they ask is somehow exploitative is ridiculous.

      No, child slaves on cocoa farms or mines aren’t being exploited at all! They are choosing freely to barely have enough to survive without anyone withholding basic necessity under the requirement of labor! /s (Your electronics require this.)

      CHINEESE ARE EARNING ON AVERAGE TWICE WHAT WE IN POLAND DO

      On average. What about the minimum?

      EU DOESN’T EVEN WANT CHEAP PRODUCTS FROM VIETNAM OR AFRICA

      You don’t have electronics without them. Sorry, yes they do. Also, tariffs are only on the products coming in, not the raw resources used in the production. It isn’t counting those. Look up where the raw resources in your products come from. They almost certainly aren’t from Europe.

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        No, child slaves on cocoa farms or mines aren’t being exploited at all!

        So you’re blaming capitalism rather than uncivilized governments of these countries that fail to uphold basic human rights? Horrible take is horrible.

        On average. What about the minimum?

        I think you mean median - minimum is just arbitrarly set number. I cant find any median figure. Anyway the point is that Chinese aren’t exactly poor.

        You don’t have electronics without them. Sorry, yes they do. Also, tariffs are only on the products coming in, not the raw resources used in the production.

        You know what the funny thing is? That if there was no tarifs, there would be more demand for these goods and poduction would create more jobs with better salaries there. But EU has policy of protecting its internal market.

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          So you’re blaming capitalism rather than uncivilized governments of these countries that fail to uphold basic human rights? Horrible take is horrible.

          I’ve said this entire time, authoritarianism is the issue. You say socialism causes this, yet it exists under capitalism too. You don’t blame capitalism for this but yet blame socialism when it happens under socialism. Tell me how that makes sense. I’ll wait.

          I think you mean median

          No, I meant minimum. The average person may live a fine life, but it’s built on the backs of those at the bottom. If they aren’t there then the average person doesn’t get what they’re used to today.

          You know what the funny thing is? That if there was no tarifs, there would be more demand for these goods and poduction would create more jobs with better salaries there. But EU has policy of protecting its internal market.

          Possibly, though unlikely. There are more people than jobs, and the owner class controls the means of survival, so workers are forced to work for them and can’t bargain for anything better. What would help them is union, worker ownership, or a government that protected them. These are socialist things though, and the owner class will prevent them from happening.