Hey man, first relax. You are accusing me of being fascist because I was against defederating. What I am standing against is what you just said, that my opinion doesn’t matter. Even though I don’t agree with you I will never say that your opinion doesn’t matter, that is my stance against defederation. I don’t agree with what they are posting on exploding heads, but I don’t think their opinion doesn’t matter.
The paper from the car burned last night, it was a father not a mother my mistake.
“Merci pour un papa seul que va bien galérer avec ses 3 enfants”.
Do you think this person deserved to be left without a car, while he was struggling bringing up 3 children? Did he have anything to do with the killing of Nahel? Why is he the one that is getting the consequences?
I do not think this person deserved to be left without a car. And the ruling class who have done everything in their power to drive people to this unrest is responsible for it.
But fascists always misdirect their blame, because fascists lick the boots of the ruling class while desiring even harder oppression than that which has caused this. I strongly suggest you look on at what is happening and ask yourself which side you want to be on when things get considerably worse, (which is inevitable in the consistently accelerating crises of capitalism we’re in) because if you continue to be a fash you will end up on the direct receiving end of it just as occurred in the past.
Redirecting the blame will not solve anything, you can blame rich people for many bad things happening, but blaming them for anything that crosses your mind is making your argument weak.
I saw the children that were burning the cars last night, they are at max 16-17 yo. They need to learn that their actions have consequences, it is a part of growing up. Telling them that what they are doing is fine “because rich people exist”, they will never take responsibility for their actions, and will always find someone else to blame.
There is no possible way for you to justify their actions, because violence does not justify more violence.
I strongly suggest you to stop labeling people you disagree with as fascists. It seem to me that you don’t even know what fascism is.
I don’t know how old you are, you sound really young. Its really hard to take you seriously in a discussion with that attitude.
Nobody is “redirecting” the blame. The government created the conditions that caused this. Happy and well cared for populations who have their needs met without oppression do not riot.
You are the one trying to misdirect. You are the one rolling out the greatest hits of hitler, reagan and thatcher. Trying to blame the individual and personal responsibility instead of the real source of the problem.
If you treat people like shit, eventually they fight back. Fuck around and find out.
I am probably significantly older than you are, having been an organiser in the UK left for several decades now.
Did he have anything to do with the killing of Nahel? Why is he the one that is getting the consequences?
I’m pretty sure the people protesting against police violence and those who take advantage of the chaos to burn cars aren’t the same people.
I don’t think this car was burned as a protestation against the murder of Nael.
Maybe it would be better if the government listened to the people and reformed the police to prevent such incidents, also not force laws that 70% of the population don’t want. If protesting wasn’t need, these guys wouldn’t be presented with an opportunity to burn cars and smash windows.
More repression will only amplify the problem, all we can do is wait for the next presidential election and hope it won’t be as catastrophic as the last one, and maybe we will even have someone who will do something pour que les papa seuls soient moins en galère pour s’occuper de leurs enfants.
Hey man, first relax. You are accusing me of being fascist because I was against defederating. What I am standing against is what you just said, that my opinion doesn’t matter. Even though I don’t agree with you I will never say that your opinion doesn’t matter, that is my stance against defederation. I don’t agree with what they are posting on exploding heads, but I don’t think their opinion doesn’t matter.
The paper from the car burned last night, it was a father not a mother my mistake. “Merci pour un papa seul que va bien galérer avec ses 3 enfants”. Do you think this person deserved to be left without a car, while he was struggling bringing up 3 children? Did he have anything to do with the killing of Nahel? Why is he the one that is getting the consequences?
I do not think this person deserved to be left without a car. And the ruling class who have done everything in their power to drive people to this unrest is responsible for it.
But fascists always misdirect their blame, because fascists lick the boots of the ruling class while desiring even harder oppression than that which has caused this. I strongly suggest you look on at what is happening and ask yourself which side you want to be on when things get considerably worse, (which is inevitable in the consistently accelerating crises of capitalism we’re in) because if you continue to be a fash you will end up on the direct receiving end of it just as occurred in the past.
Redirecting the blame will not solve anything, you can blame rich people for many bad things happening, but blaming them for anything that crosses your mind is making your argument weak.
I saw the children that were burning the cars last night, they are at max 16-17 yo. They need to learn that their actions have consequences, it is a part of growing up. Telling them that what they are doing is fine “because rich people exist”, they will never take responsibility for their actions, and will always find someone else to blame. There is no possible way for you to justify their actions, because violence does not justify more violence.
I strongly suggest you to stop labeling people you disagree with as fascists. It seem to me that you don’t even know what fascism is. I don’t know how old you are, you sound really young. Its really hard to take you seriously in a discussion with that attitude.
Nobody is “redirecting” the blame. The government created the conditions that caused this. Happy and well cared for populations who have their needs met without oppression do not riot.
You are the one trying to misdirect. You are the one rolling out the greatest hits of hitler, reagan and thatcher. Trying to blame the individual and personal responsibility instead of the real source of the problem.
If you treat people like shit, eventually they fight back. Fuck around and find out.
I am probably significantly older than you are, having been an organiser in the UK left for several decades now.
I’m pretty sure the people protesting against police violence and those who take advantage of the chaos to burn cars aren’t the same people.
I don’t think this car was burned as a protestation against the murder of Nael.
Maybe it would be better if the government listened to the people and reformed the police to prevent such incidents, also not force laws that 70% of the population don’t want. If protesting wasn’t need, these guys wouldn’t be presented with an opportunity to burn cars and smash windows.
More repression will only amplify the problem, all we can do is wait for the next presidential election and hope it won’t be as catastrophic as the last one, and maybe we will even have someone who will do something pour que les papa seuls soient moins en galère pour s’occuper de leurs enfants.