The extreme weaponization of IDpol is one of the most unfortunate radlib things ever devised. It’s one of the most annoying “shields” people use to justify anything and if they were capable or willing to consider what they’re actually doing in the moment I like to think they’d just start puking from self disgust.
Obvious relevant current example is people saying “Are you even Jewish? Why do you care so much Israel??? Are you a Muslim? No? Why do you care???” something along those lines so if you’re a white-ass, non-Muslim, non-Jewish person you pretty much are at either just stfu and let this clown “win” or start yelling at them (because I can assure you the “so when did you stop hating Jews?” approach these bad faith actors are engaging in is unwinnable).
I see a lot of Jewish Zionists engaging in this (weirdly, some non Jews too. Like Europeans with no Jewish background. Seems insane to me, but, hey). And it’s like… so you wanna do this little “game”? You want to leverage the suffering of your ancestors, maybe even your living relatives, just so you get to feel moral and get to tell someone else to stfu? It’s just so fucking racist, pretentious, honestly just gross overall. I know they’re liberals (radical liberals I suppose), but holy shit guys. Literally taking us BACKWARDS on the overall scale of progress. “Actually, if you don’t have X number of Jewish grandparents, you need to sit your white ass down. Or even your black ass or any other color. Actually sit your Jewish ass down too unless you fully support the genocide!” Do they not see the inherent backwards-ness of this racist type of exclusionary bullshit?
I dunno. It’s impossible to ever talk this shit to bad faith people and because so many people are unfortunately actually this racist they don’t even question the underlying assumptions and problems with it. They can’t see that having groups and clubs built around identities beyond class are not the same as saying if you aren’t some specific identity then you aren’t allowed to pushback on insane shit that actually has nothing to do with the identity they’re trying to tie it to. The Israel and Jewish stuff is so fucking insanely racist that it leaves me baffled at times. Like… holy shit guys.
I dunno, whatever, keep telling radlibs to stfu I guess
Indeed. I did say later that Israel and Jews (and Judaism by implication) have nothing to do with each other. I actually thought I typed it more explicitly, but I’ve ranted about this shit so many times in the past months that I just get tired of typing the same thing.
My only point with that specific piece was how extra racist or whatever you wanna call it that white Christians, evangelicals or otherwise, were coming out on Twitter and shit being like “wow! If you aren’t Jewish right now you need to stfu!” Just the full buy-in on the idea that if your perceived “racial group” isn’t involved, and you “take a side,” then that is inappropriate. I honestly thought most people had moved on past really believing in like “scientific race” as in really truly believing there are differences between white Europeans, Jews, Arabs, etc. but uh, I guess at least on the topic of Israel specifically, many people definitely have not. On the whole, I’m not all the surprised, but in individual moments I can’t help but just scream in my head “holy fuck, we’re fucked!”
The extreme weaponization of IDpol is one of the most unfortunate radlib things ever devised. It’s one of the most annoying “shields” people use to justify anything and if they were capable or willing to consider what they’re actually doing in the moment I like to think they’d just start puking from self disgust.
Obvious relevant current example is people saying “Are you even Jewish? Why do you care so much Israel??? Are you a Muslim? No? Why do you care???” something along those lines so if you’re a white-ass, non-Muslim, non-Jewish person you pretty much are at either just stfu and let this clown “win” or start yelling at them (because I can assure you the “so when did you stop hating Jews?” approach these bad faith actors are engaging in is unwinnable).
I see a lot of Jewish Zionists engaging in this (weirdly, some non Jews too. Like Europeans with no Jewish background. Seems insane to me, but, hey). And it’s like… so you wanna do this little “game”? You want to leverage the suffering of your ancestors, maybe even your living relatives, just so you get to feel moral and get to tell someone else to stfu? It’s just so fucking racist, pretentious, honestly just gross overall. I know they’re liberals (radical liberals I suppose), but holy shit guys. Literally taking us BACKWARDS on the overall scale of progress. “Actually, if you don’t have X number of Jewish grandparents, you need to sit your white ass down. Or even your black ass or any other color. Actually sit your Jewish ass down too unless you fully support the genocide!” Do they not see the inherent backwards-ness of this racist type of exclusionary bullshit?
I dunno. It’s impossible to ever talk this shit to bad faith people and because so many people are unfortunately actually this racist they don’t even question the underlying assumptions and problems with it. They can’t see that having groups and clubs built around identities beyond class are not the same as saying if you aren’t some specific identity then you aren’t allowed to pushback on insane shit that actually has nothing to do with the identity they’re trying to tie it to. The Israel and Jewish stuff is so fucking insanely racist that it leaves me baffled at times. Like… holy shit guys.
I dunno, whatever, keep telling radlibs to stfu I guess
It’s because Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Some of the most rabid Zionists are evangelical Christians.
Indeed. I did say later that Israel and Jews (and Judaism by implication) have nothing to do with each other. I actually thought I typed it more explicitly, but I’ve ranted about this shit so many times in the past months that I just get tired of typing the same thing.
My only point with that specific piece was how extra racist or whatever you wanna call it that white Christians, evangelicals or otherwise, were coming out on Twitter and shit being like “wow! If you aren’t Jewish right now you need to stfu!” Just the full buy-in on the idea that if your perceived “racial group” isn’t involved, and you “take a side,” then that is inappropriate. I honestly thought most people had moved on past really believing in like “scientific race” as in really truly believing there are differences between white Europeans, Jews, Arabs, etc. but uh, I guess at least on the topic of Israel specifically, many people definitely have not. On the whole, I’m not all the surprised, but in individual moments I can’t help but just scream in my head “holy fuck, we’re fucked!”