• southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
    133·
    3 months ago

    I hate to be a jerk, but those are useless links for the subject matter. They don’t really explain anything about what alternatives would be in place for people that commit violent crimes of any kind, which (since that’s part of the title of your post), means they aren’t good links.

    I’m in favor of extreme reforms of the prison systems, and have opinions about alternatives, and still couldn’t find anything in those links that would be useful to me, much less someone that’s on the fence regarding the issue, and anyone actually asking the question in the title would absolutely quit reading after there were no answers to the real question.

    The last link is essentially a screed on what the writer thinks is the cause of rape, and myths about rape, which has only the most tangential connection to actual reform of a criminal justice system as a whole.

    Again, I have to be a jerk, but those sources suck.

    It’s like any subject of reform or reconstruction. If you can’t provide clear, simple plans for the obvious objections, it isn’t happening

    • Mambabasa@slrpnk.netOPMEnglish
      34·
      3 months ago

      Come on, Instead of Prisons is like 500 pages long. Just admit you don’t have the patience to read.

      Abolition is complex. Simple plans are for fascists who can attract any simpleton with sophistry. The violence of policing and incarceration are both very simple plans for the causes of harm. We address criminalization by abolishing the police and prisons. We address future harms through addressing their root causes. We address present harms through harm reduction. We address harms already done through restorative and transformative justice. None of this is simple, clear, or obvious. The work of abolition is always harder than the status quo.

        • stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net
          31·
          3 months ago

          It’s really not, though. Terms like “restorative justice” are not generic positive adjective pablum - they are specific terms with specific meanings. If you don’t know the meanings and don’t care to research them, that’s on you.

      • sleenEnglish
        3·
        3 months ago

        I’ll also add-on this section which answered one of my questions and possibly the commenters question:

        Breaking the cycle of violence

        Not all sex offenders must be restrained during their re‑education/resocialization process. Current alternatives to prison are proving this point and providing needed models. But many more community programs for sex offenders must be developed before belief in non-incarcerative alternatives is accepted.

        For those sexual violents who do require temporary separation from society‑repetitive rapists, those who physically brutalize or psychologically terrorize and men who repeatedly sexually assault children‑places of restraint are needed while reeducation occurs. Unless these alternatives are developed, there may be no other choice but the prison or the asylum. Hence the urgency for abolitionists to create programs similar to those we shall cite.

        Unfortunately, some worthy programs for sex offenders continue to use the language of the “medical model.” For instance, re‑education and resocialization processes are often referred to as “treatment.” Despite the language orientation, these programs are consistent with abolitionist beliefs. Essentially they are rooted in the concept that sexual behavior and relationships are learned thru the process of socialization, and that new behavior patterns can be acquired. Responsibility rests with the individual to overcome cultural and social conditioning in sexual violence until those causal factors are changed.

  • Lime Buzz@beehaw.org
    5·
    3 months ago

    Thanks for posting this. I posted a video a little while ago about such things, it’s always nice to have resources to point to and be like “yes, even actual immoral and unethical crimes can be dealt with without the current system that doesn’t work.”