I just got permanently banned from a community for making a single harmless remark on a single post that was right there in the main feed. It’s not a community I’m super active in so it’s not like devastating, but it is annoying
If your precious little community is full of so many delicate sensitive people who can’t even be reminded that another viewpoint even exists, then you should really protect them by defederating and having everyone join your private website
The mod has literally removed like 75% of the comments and banned everyone lol
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t have time to read every rule for every community that pops up when I’m in view all
I defended @[email protected] when a comment of theirs was reported.
I was just given context on this. Looking at their comments in that light, I have decided to ban them from [email protected] for all their bad faith arguments. Banning people for “bad faith” voting is bullshit. Coming here to defend that horrible action will not be tolerated.
Thank you and good riddance to @[email protected], when you look at the amount of subs she is modding, it’s quite worrying. It makes me wonder if she does anything else with her time.
We’re talking about u/beaver aren’t we?
One of the things I disliked about Reddit was the self righteous power mods that turned the site in to an echo chamber.
If you can’t handle a counter point that’s been made in good faith, then get off of the soapbox.
Meat eaters engage in the 300+ logical fallacies more often than enough in my experiences.
Removed by mod
I never care about these posts unless you share what you posted.
Too Many times the “it was just a little joke bro” turns out they called someone’s dog the N word or something and understand why they got banned.
“What it wasn’t like I said it about a person, just a ***** dog”
So, have fun OP, but making this post makes me doubt you more than them if you’re not going to recount any details at all.
Feel free to check the modlog.
Butthurt Beaver has also been banning anyone who dares vote incorrectly.
how
admins of other instances can see who voted, and what they voted. You can easily build a self-hosted copy so you’re an admin, federate with Lemmy.world, and see who is voting on a post/comment.
Mods cannot see who votes on a post/comment, so this is the only way.
Seriously these mods ban you for literally nothing. I think they’re worse on here than they ever were on Reddit. Bunch of fucking children I swear to God.
edit Oh hey now I’m banned from c/vegan too. I wasn’t even talking about them. They’re even worse I guess.
Wait, did you post there, or did you get banned there, for this post HERE?
Oohh let’s try an experiment. I have never been to c/vegan even though my stepson and his wife are vegan so I guess I might have a reason to … sorta.
Anyway here goes. … Hey c/vegan, the one mod over there is a completely douchebag and should just stop being a right cunt. Please ban me until they fuck off.
How do you find out if your banned?
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Go there and try to vote on something or comment on something, it will immediately tell you if you are banned
Picked a few random top posts and up/down voted a few. Nothing yet.
You’re too late. The butthurt Beaver has been banned.
I have no idea when I was banned from there. I assume it was this post, cuz I don’t think I’ve ever posted there before. I just noticed when I tried to upvote a thread earlier it wouldn’t let me so I assume this is where it came from.
Was it c/vegan because there is apparently a mod there who has gone off the deep end and is banning anyone who downvotes let alone comments. They are hermetically sealing the c/vegan echo bunker.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t have time to read every rule for every community that pops up when I’m in view all
This is exactly what made subreddits turn into an indistinguishable mush once they start reaching the front page. A way to not have your community show up in All would be nice, or to make posts read-only unless you’re subscribed.
Absolutely agreed. Unlike reddit, there’s nothing between “private” and “everyone”. Reddit had a feature that subs could avoid the front page no matter how popular a post got, but Lemmy doesn’t have that, so every post shows up on everyone’s all.
That would be nice
You’re gonna see that a lot on Lemmy unless you fall in line and don’t say anything they wanna call a “dog whistle”.
Vegans will talk mad shit and then get so mad when their thread reaches nonvegan feeds.
Can’t stand the heat, which is why they eat salad.
Fuck I would give this comment Reddit gold if I could. You just made me snort soda.
Rip roast veggies
I’ve never come across a friendly vegan community. I’m not exactly looking for one but the ones that make themselves known tend to have extreme takes. There’s nothing wrong being vegan but their online community sure feels they’re going about it the wrong way, being overly dismissive and defensive rather than open and helpful.
You are now banned from c/vegan
It can depend on how one interacts with the community as those who are open-minded are often welcomed and taught the ethical ways of doing things.
lol. “If you agree with us, you can stay.”
That’s why we have the vegan community for vegans and open-minded meat eaters.
As long as the carnitas keep their dirty, meaty mouths shut, right?
People with speciesist tendencies are not allowed on the community however if they have an open mind sure!
So why have a community on a federated instance? Why ban people for passive participation?
People need to learn about the vegan subculture. Why should a community shut itself down because others cant handle different ideas.
Was it on the vegan community? I bet it was on the vegan community.
Their echo chambers are lined with the same material the tankies use in their communities.
They are echo bunkers. They only want comments and identity validating upvotes that whole throatedly support the orthodoxy of the echo bunker but they want to spread their extremist message by commenting on and brigading posts that they don’t like in other communities to try to bully, shame, and harass others into adopting their extremist quasi-religion and join their echo bunker.
I feel like the Internet doesn’t have that fuzzy but between public and private spaces like real life does. Some people want their public space to be like a Marxist book store on a side street to a Main/High Street. Sure, people can come in to read the literature and talk about the books there. However, if someone comes in wanting to discuss the merits of Ayn Rand, they are probably going to be kicked out.
Some people get the tiniest shred of a hint of a… concept of a plan… of power and it turns them into tiny tinpot tyrants. Sometimes they’re on HOAs, sometimes they’re middle management, and sometimes they moderate communities or forums online. You can’t reason with them, and it’s out of your ability to destroy them, so you’re better off just shrugging your shoulders, giving them the finger, and then doing something else.
You have been permanently banned from c/ConservativeCatRecipes.
Just leave the rabid vegans alone. They are showing you who they are. Believe them and don’t waste your time trying to be rational with them.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I just got banned from that community and I’ve literally never posted in it. I’ve downvoted some posts, but they’re all pretty antagonistic, so what else else am i gonna do when it shows up in my feed?
so what else else am i gonna do when it shows up in my feed?
Block it?
I guess I could, but I don’t feel the need to turn my feed into an echo chamber. I’m not going to go to the community to pick a fight, but I’m not going to hide from content I don’t agree with. I’ll just downvote it and move on. Besides, the OP is right; if the mods don’t want their community to get downvoted, it’s their responsibility to make their community private, not my responsibility to block their shitty content.
Private requires you to add everyone as a mod. I’ve only seen private communities used as single person kind of blogs, otherwise it’s unsustainable to have 50-100 mods
Alright, well I didn’t realize creating a private community was such a hassel, but I still don’t see why I’m expected to hide from this community when they post antagonistic shit. If they want to insult people who eat meat, fine, but then you have to deal with the fact that the people you just insulted might downvote you. It’s not my job to help them insulate their echo chamber.
Then you get banned, and then the matter is solved?
…or you don’t start a public community on a public website if you don’t want input from the public? Also, the other mods on /c/Vegan removed the Mod responsible for this ban wave, so it seems like they agree with me that downvotes aren’t grounds for community bans. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
IMO this is mainly only a problem because Lemmy is small enough that everyone is browsing all and there’s no realistic natural separation of users. Going private is an extreme solution with high likelihood of it just dying as a result.
Going private is an extreme solution with high likelihood of it just dying as a result.
Okay, and…?
That doesn’t negate the point: if they don’t want anyone else that isn’t already part of their group interacting with their instance or posts, why be federated, and why leave things public?
Because what they want is more likely to stop people with values incompatible with their group interacting with it, while still being visible enough that people who may have compatible values could become aware of it.
Maybe the way they go about pursuing that causes a mild annoyance for many other people, but I think it’s a legitimate thing to want.
Sounds to me like they want all of the benefits of being in a society, while shouldering none of the costs. In that respect, they’re perfect Libertarians.
That isn’t how libertarianism works.
Your confusing libertarianism for right wing populism calling itself libertarian. Actual libertarianism is all about voluntary association and contracts. Think anarchism but more structured and property laws.
Oh also, there’s probably just as many sects of Christianity as there are libertarianism so we mostly hate each other just as much if not morebthab we hate all the other political parties.
Libertarians don’t usually practice what they call Libertarianism, any more than most Christians practice anything that resembles Christianity. I’m aware of what Libertarianism supposedly is, but that’s absolutely not the same thing as what Libertarians say and do.
they’re perfect Libertarians
As opposed to the people who think it’s their God-given right to say whatever they want, wherever they want?
It sounds like you’re describing every libertarian I’ve ever met
Do you think the “cost” of “being in a society” is accommodating the mainstream consensus view? I’m not vegan but I figure if they want to have an echo chamber that isn’t all about reacting to my objections and the objections of most other non-vegans to their ideology, that’s fine, it’s not a “cost”, I am not entitled to or being “paid” through such reactions, and I have zero tangible stake (pun intended) in their dietary choices. That abstraction doesn’t work, it’s not about paying your dues, rather it is an organizational question about how much Lemmy should function to homogenize opinions or to shield minority opinions from adversarial social proof.
While I personally value space for debate and disagreement, I also think spaces for minority views can’t really exist if they are just going to be overwhelmed by volume, and they should be enabled to exist lest everyone devolve into regurgitating a reddit hivemind sort of mentality.
I also think spaces for minority views can’t really exist if they are just going to be overwhelmed by volume,
Isn’t that kind of the point of the concept of free speech though? Like, sure, you’re welcome to your belief that Jews have secret, giant space lasers that are starting wildfires in California (because I guess Jews hate liberal mecca…?), or Haitian refugees are eating pets in Springfield, OH, or even shit like Churchill was the real genocidal maniac that murdered 6M Jews, Romani, gay people, autistic people, and other “undesirables”, but if you want to express your minority views in public, you have to expect pushback. If ideas are good, and you can convince people that they’re good, then your ideas should eventually be either tolerated, or become mainstream.
But if you don’t want to exist in the marketplace of ideas, then… Don’t.
It sounds as if you’re describing something like a low moderation politics focused imageboard. I would say you are getting it backwards; untrue racist conspiracy theories win out in such an environment, which mostly does not select for good ideas, because the “marketplace” isn’t about which arguments are good or anything like that, it’s about shaming and demoralizing those who disagree, appealing to people’s emotions, and projecting an impression of community consensus through high volume shitposting. Despite that there may not be direct removal of comments, such an environment effectively selects against minority (at least within that space) viewpoints by making it extremely unpleasant for anyone trying to express them, and by making sure it will at least seem like there are a larger number of people mocking them.
Needless to say, there are some problems with this way of doing it, and it’s worth considering ways to not be like that.
My brother in Satan, these are literally the ideas that the US was founded on. That’s what the 1st amendment is all about. If irrational, batshit crazy conspiracies are winning in the marketplace of ideas, then it’s because people that are sane are doing a terrible job of leading people, and helping them to discover truth on their own.
Well put
It isn’t though. They—specifically one moderator that seems to have been summarily removed—don’t want a separate space that’s entirely their own, they want to exist within a greater community. They want to be able to provoke–yes, I use ‘provoke’ intentionally–people without those people being able to directly respond.
If they want their own space, they’re free to set up a defederated instance, or create their own message board.
Its more accurate to say vegans are like anarchists as the concept anarchism is popular in the community.
It’s more accurate to say that you want to be publicly loud while wearing earplugs.
The situation is like this:
Beaver “I keep seeing Helldivers’ posts in my feed maybe I should start commenting on them saying “I don’t like Helldivers” because I dont play the game, I’m sure that will get me far in the community.”
You know the situation is nothing like that. You’re just being dishonest about your actions and disingenuous about your intentions.
Then perish.
This is a significant problem on Reddit as well.
There needed to be resources and admin actions devoted to keeping disagreeing groups separate for the respective health of their communities.
Even then, it is a common practice to outright ban people from some subs if they participated in other subs as participation in one sub likely meant they would be disruptive in the other sub.
Even then, it is a common practice to outright ban people from some subs if they participated in other subs as participation in one sub likely meant they would be disruptive in the other sub.
And then we all get to live in echo chambers or get banned for ban evasion because we didnt know we were banned. I hate this.
Feel free to create !vegandebate and attract people there to discuss this topic
Discuss echo chambers and bans with vegans? I try to leave you guys alone and don’t post but i do enjoy a lot of your shitposting so i’d rather not get banned.
I’m not even a vegan, just following this drama from afar.
If you enjoy the posts, then keep lurking, just don’t downvote I guess
