A progressive who stays home on Election Day ā€” or backs Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cornel West, or No Labels ā€” is voting for Donald Trump.

"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst ThƤlmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, ThƤlmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. ThƤlmann famously said that ā€˜some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forestā€™ of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called ā€˜social fascists.ā€™

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, ThƤlmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitlerā€™s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.netEnglish
    22Ā·
    2 months ago

    Hitler and ThƤlmann lost to the center right Hindenburg who was backed by the social democrats. Hindenburg was already president since 1925, so he was seen as no direct threat to democracy. Then Germany had parliamentary elections in July 1932. Those had a Nazi + Communist majority, so they repeated the election in November as they did not have a majority to form a government as both the Communist and the Nazis were against democracy. That however although slightly better did not solve that problem. So Hindenburg used decrees to work with the Nazis so they could form a government.

    So if the Communists and social democrats would have worked together and elected a left president. That might have been somebody from the social democrats or indeed ThƤlmann, then a minority centrist or left wing or a majority centrist and communist government would have been possible. The Communists however never tried to work with the democratic forces. The Nazis actually did exactly that, which they were able to use to gain total power.

    Point should be obvious.

    • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
      61Ā·
      2 months ago

      both the Communist and the Nazis were against democracy

      This is ridiculous, the Communists opposed the Weimar Republic, but they absolutely supported democracy. In their view, in fact, they supported a much more authentic form of democracy by extricating private interests from the process.

      Hindenburg used decrees to work with the Nazis so they could form a government.

      We keep glossing over this ā€œliberals siding with Nazisā€ thing

      The Communists however never tried to work with the democratic forces.

      I really think the word youā€™re looking for here is ā€œliberalā€

      Point should be obvious.

      Youā€™re making significant assumptions, such as any of the liberals actually being willing to work the with the Communists, which would be a hell of a change for the SPD after that business with the Freikorps. Otherwise, the argument is just ā€œjoin the SPDā€ and assume that they can bring their voters with them while completely abandoning their revolutionary project and putting themselves under the discipline of a liberal party. I feel that this is something of a muddy issue that youā€™re interpreting in a convenient way.

      ā€œArenā€™t you as well?ā€ Fair question, and thereā€™s a lot about this situation that I canā€™t speak to, but what I said before I am completely sure holds, which is that Hitler gained power, on the most proximate level, because of liberal collaborators.

      • MrMakabar@slrpnk.netEnglish
        1Ā·
        2 months ago

        The SPD initially prefered to work with further left forces. They worked together on the Reich Congress of Workersā€™ and Soldiersā€™ Councils however the SPD wanted a parliamentary democracy and the USPD wanted a council republic, so when they realized the most of the councils were not in fact communist and actually supported the SPD, that caused uprisings against the interim SPD lead government, which the USPD left. The USPD was also unwilling to work with the SPD in the national assembly, which was the parliament they set up and they were sitting in. Intresstingly the Weimar constituion has a few points which could have been easily turned to accomadate workers councils. Hence the more centrist forces worked with them and the consitution was born.

        I really think the word youā€™re looking for here is ā€œliberalā€

        No it is democratic, which the KPD at this point was no longer. They were working on setting up a Stalinist dictatorship and no longer a council democracy.

        Youā€™re making significant assumptions, such as any of the liberals actually being willing to work the with the Communists,

        I am looking at what we might want to learn from what happened back for the US election and other struggles against the far right. So pointing out that this was an option is imho extremely important. Obviously they did not do it, but that does not mean it is impossible to do it at least partly today, with different left wing groups considering different centrist groups not radical enough.