Unlike the MAGA movement, which is led by a candidate who is defiantly amoral, post-liberalism is steeped in a revolutionary religiosity.

Most Americans havenā€™t heard of the post-liberal right, the small but influential group of conservative, mostly Catholic men who have declared that liberal democracy, the animating principle of Americaā€™s founding, hasĀ failedĀ and want to bring about a new social order where there is no separation of church and state and men and a hyperconservative Catholicism reign supreme. They are disdainful of secularism and individual liberty. Just like Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump illustrated during Tuesday nightā€™s debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, these menĀ idolizeĀ the authoritarian Viktor OrbĆ”n, the prime minister of Hungary.

Theyā€™re alsoĀ nostalgicĀ for Spain as it was run by the dictator Franco and see OrbĆ”nā€™s government and Francoā€™s as potential models for the kind of regime they wish to install in the United States. The groupā€™sĀ political prioritiesĀ ā€” which include restricting access to contraception and divorce and banning marriage equality and pornography ā€”Ā areĀ wildlyĀ unpopular. And yet the Republican nominee for vice president, my former friend JD Vance, isĀ a prominent voiceĀ of this fringe movement, as so many of his regrettable podcast interviews have demonstrated.

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    I went through this with a friend of 20+ years. It is pretty much one of the worst things that have ever happened to me.

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      Went through something broadly similar a few years ago. Itā€™s kinda confidence-shattering, tbh. I had thought I was a pretty deft judge of character up to that point. Years after the fallout, Iā€™ve come to realize that while I am actually still probably a better than average judge of character, that doesnā€™t really apply to psychopaths that actively hide their true nature as a habit and rule. But the whole clusterfuck and how much I missed the signs still fucks with my head sometimes even today.

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        Iā€™ve given up thinking Iā€™m a good judge of character completely. You canā€™t do much better than judging people by the company they keep, anyway. Sometimes people of quality can be alone, but utter bastards never are.

        But Iā€™ll be damned if Iā€™m not still good at standing up to my friends. After I failed to make them see reason for long enough to be sure it was permanentā€¦ I cut them off 4 years ago and havenā€™t said a word to them since, even when they literally stalked me.

        If you havenā€™t got integrity, you donā€™t really have anything, do you?

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        Judging character and identifying psychopaths are two wildly different skill sets, though arguably one depends on the other.

        Iā€™m slowly getting better (more experienced) at identifying psychopaths and narcissists, but holy shit it can be difficult.