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    “I don’t like murder, but I’m sure as hell not going to vote for the ‘less murder’ option! I’m going to keep my hands clean and help more murder happen instead.”

    Not taking action is still a choice. Your convictions are sacraficed by not preventing the worse thing. In the trolley problem, not pulling the lever that saves lives is still a choice. You aren’t helping anyone by plugging your ears with your fingers. You’re only keeping your childish self-view intact. You didn’t actually do anything.

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      There is no lesser genocide. Israel is getting everything it wants currently, from Democrats.

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        You’re stupid if you actually buy that. You need to actually consider your position, not listen to whatever stupid stuff you’ve heard. That’s such a childish stance.

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          Yeah there is a difference.

          Biden/Harris shrug off the rape prisons, decapitated children, bombed hospitals, etc. and publicly repeat some hasbara, then “leak” to the press that they’re secretly very angry and “working on a deal”. A few hours later they send Israel more bombs.

          Trump, in contrast, would also send more US made bombs, except tweet that he’s “very happy” and the destruction is a “good deal”.

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            Trump would increase the amount we’re sending. He has said that Israel should “finish the job.” I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know what effect your actions have. Figure it out. You don’t get to pretend like your hands are clean, because no matter what you do you made a choice and you’re a member of our society. You aren’t clean. Do what’s best for the people suffering, not for yourself. Being self-centered is not a virtue. It’s a flaw.

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              I acknowledge Trump uses frank, coarse rhetoric, however the result is the same: unlimited weapons and money for genocide. Trump can’t increase the amount we’re sending, as the current cap is a supply-chain issue. Unless he can magically turn money into tanks and bombs.

              If you want to make this about Palestinians, consider why Jill Stein leads Harris among Palestinian Americans - especially in Michigan.

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                It’s large, but it isn’t unlimited. It’s also not supply-chain limited. We stockpile plenty, sell some, and are also giving some to Ukraine (which Trump will likely stop). Stop being so nieve.

                If you want to make this about Palestinians, consider why Jill Stein leads Harris among Palestinian Americans - especially in Michigan.

                First, I don’t really care. She is nothing except a spoiler taking Russian money.

                Second, sure she says better things. She won’t do shit though because she has zero chance of winning. She’s able to say literally anything that benefits herself because there’s zero accountability because there’s no chance she’ll be required to follow through. None of what she says has any value.

                Vote however you want, but consider the consequences of your actions. Don’t just do what makes you feel like you’re superior to others. Do what is likely to help the most people. For example, even if we assume Palestinians will suffer equally under either (they won’t, but let’s assume), trans people, immigrants, and women will be much worse off under Trump.

                Take responsibility for your actions. If you choose to throw away your vote, whatever happens after you are partially to blame for. You aren’t outside of society. You’re part of it. As such, you play a role in what comes next. Make your choice and make it one you won’t have to regret.

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                  I’m aware of the mainstream opinion on 3rd party voting 😉 The issue is that it conflicts with the academic US historian consensus, which is that 3rd parties are responsible for major progressive policies, from women’s suffrage to social security. It’s possibly the most powerful vote one can make.

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                    Mainstream? It’s fucking Engels’ opinion as well. It’s the only reasonable opinion. Anything else is trolling. There are many other things that caused those movements. Protests and direct action are a large reason why public opinion shifted, which forced a political shift.