Im glad you decided to copy-paste an overly padded ream of text instead of forming your own opinion
I endorse it. Even if I didn’t, you asked, and do you received an answer.
P.4 Those models are also ran completely locally.
Wrong.
None of the models provided by Mozilla as defaults are run locally. They are all run on their own respective providers’ clouds.
P.2 All ai models used in firefox currently are fully open source.
Also wrong.
Even if we ignore the fact that Mozilla only allows you to connect to third parties that are running something in a black box, there is no such thing as open source AI, as far as I have seen. The models are always closed source black boxes. If you have downloaded a binary and cannot compile it yourself, you are not using something that is open source.
P.10
The two ai features currently in firefox are alt-text generation for blind people and privacy-respecting page translation
Which was not being discussed in the linked post. The fact you are trying to veer off topic from “how has Mozilla betrayed you” to “this particular other thing has not betrayed you” is unhelpful.
the comment is going “grrr ai” i was pointing out that the ai features currently in firefox (translation and alt-text) are local and privacy respecting. You cant just ignore things that dont fit your opinion.
second, that chatbot thing you’re crying about is OPT IN AND only in nightly, let you choose any chatbot available online, not just the ones they named, and on top of that it most likely will never make it into a non-nightly release, because theyve decided to make that kind of ai feature an extension instead.
Also, when i say that a model is open source, i am referring to the binary being downloadable and the model weights being freely available.
You clearly saw the word “ai” and decided that mozilla was as bad as google, without looking into it at all.
You asked how Mozilla betrayed users, so let’s focus on that. I don’t care about the ways they haven’t betrayed users, in the same way I don’t care about how Seamus built a bridge.
second, that chatbot thing you’re crying about is>>> only in nightly
No, it’s in Firefox 130. I know this because I use Firefox.
it most likely will never make it into a non-nightly release
LOL
Also, when i say that a model is open source, i am referring to the binary being downloadable
This is not what open source means. If that’s the case, Microsoft Windows is open source. Go nuts.
You clearly saw the word “ai” and decided that mozilla was as bad as google, without looking into it at all.
People aren’t blindly saying all AI is bad. They were pointing at a specific thing. Do not strawman.
No, it’s in Firefox 130. I know this because I use Firefox.
it’s in the “labs” section, its disingenuous to imply it isnt. I was wrong to say its only in nightly, but its still an opt-in experimental feature.
Also, truncating my arguments in quotes to make me look stupid and trying to exclude any facts you dont like is a dick move, and you know it, i’m not going to respond to the rest of this because you are clearly not arguing in good faith.
it’s in the “labs” section, its disingenuous to imply it isnt.
You’re the one who volunteered the claim that it was in Nightly. Not me. It’s crazy you’re calling me disingenuous for using the same language as you did. This is tone policing at a whole new level.
truncating my arguments in quotes to make me look stupid and trying to exclude any facts you dont like is a dick move, and you know it
This is a bold claim without evidence. If you have multi-pronged points that require everything to be true, and the first part of it is wrong, I don’t feel like I have to go over the rest. And if you’re doing whataboutism, I have no problem with skipping that either.
I endorse it. Even if I didn’t, you asked, and do you received an answer.
Wrong.
None of the models provided by Mozilla as defaults are run locally. They are all run on their own respective providers’ clouds.
Also wrong.
Even if we ignore the fact that Mozilla only allows you to connect to third parties that are running something in a black box, there is no such thing as open source AI, as far as I have seen. The models are always closed source black boxes. If you have downloaded a binary and cannot compile it yourself, you are not using something that is open source.
Which was not being discussed in the linked post. The fact you are trying to veer off topic from “how has Mozilla betrayed you” to “this particular other thing has not betrayed you” is unhelpful.
Just ask Seamus (the bridge builder) what people remember him for.
the comment is going “grrr ai” i was pointing out that the ai features currently in firefox (translation and alt-text) are local and privacy respecting. You cant just ignore things that dont fit your opinion.
second, that chatbot thing you’re crying about is OPT IN AND only in nightly, let you choose any chatbot available online, not just the ones they named, and on top of that it most likely will never make it into a non-nightly release, because theyve decided to make that kind of ai feature an extension instead.
Also, when i say that a model is open source, i am referring to the binary being downloadable and the model weights being freely available.
You clearly saw the word “ai” and decided that mozilla was as bad as google, without looking into it at all.
You asked how Mozilla betrayed users, so let’s focus on that. I don’t care about the ways they haven’t betrayed users, in the same way I don’t care about how Seamus built a bridge.
No, it’s in Firefox 130. I know this because I use Firefox.
LOL
This is not what open source means. If that’s the case, Microsoft Windows is open source. Go nuts.
People aren’t blindly saying all AI is bad. They were pointing at a specific thing. Do not strawman.
it’s in the “labs” section, its disingenuous to imply it isnt. I was wrong to say its only in nightly, but its still an opt-in experimental feature.
Also, truncating my arguments in quotes to make me look stupid and trying to exclude any facts you dont like is a dick move, and you know it, i’m not going to respond to the rest of this because you are clearly not arguing in good faith.
You’re the one who volunteered the claim that it was in Nightly. Not me. It’s crazy you’re calling me disingenuous for using the same language as you did. This is tone policing at a whole new level.
This is a bold claim without evidence. If you have multi-pronged points that require everything to be true, and the first part of it is wrong, I don’t feel like I have to go over the rest. And if you’re doing whataboutism, I have no problem with skipping that either.