Consensus seems to be disliking this change, but curious if there are other perspectives

  • stardust@lemmy.ca
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    4 hours ago

    Dislike it because I forget what happens, but worst of all it hasn’t resulted in better follow up seasons to make the wait feel worth it when it comes back and knowing that it’ll be another few years before the next season. House of the Dragon has been the last show I got into since the industry shift towards higher production leading to longer gaps.

    And it’s felt like higher production has led to worse writing because the shows can’t afford to progress the story at a decent pace.

  • kandoh@reddthat.com
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    6 hours ago

    That filming schedule required to release 24 episodes at 45 minutes a pop was pretty insane. I definitely don’t want the crews making the shows to need to return to that brutality

  • Makeitstop@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    A show should get as many episodes as it needs to tell the story it wants to tell in the best way possible.

    Forcing a show to fill 20+ episodes with a set runtime often leads to lower quality filler episodes. It’s also a lot harder to do with the more serialized style that audiences have gotten used to. Babylon 5 showed that it could be done, but it takes a lot of skill, effort and planning.

    On the other hand, having only 6 to 8 episodes can be infuriating when a show isn’t laser focused on telling a narrowly scoped and tightly scripted story. It can be done, but many shows waste precious time on tangents and subplots at the expense of the larger story. There’s less time for character development, foreshadowing, subtlety and pacing. Again, it can be done if it’s planned well and the writing is good, but often it just feels like a longer show that’s had essential material cut and rushed the plot because they didn’t plan for the amount of time they had. We still get the filler, even as they struggle to squeeze the story in. Can be especially bad when every episode has a different writer, and no one seems to know where the focus should be.

  • Sundial@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    I miss the long shows personally. I didn’t really feel it until I finally binge watched all of supernatural a while back and made me realize how much I miss those episodes just dedicated to funny or stupid things and the world building it does. I still laugh at the episode where Dean turns into a dog and tries to shoot a bird who poops on his car. The teddy bear in that episode was also halirious.

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      10 hours ago

      The idea of a “bottle episode” came about from producers running out of money and needing to do something cheap with what they had on hand. The long seasons gave creators a chance to try new things. You got backdoor pilots like Star Trek’s “Assignment : Earth.”

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          4 hours ago

          Depends on the show and how much you like it.

          I can still get a few chuckles out of “Spock’s Brain.”

  • fantawurstwasser@feddit.org
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    10 hours ago

    I would like to have some kind of “recap” episode for me to stream before heading into the new season. If there are years between seasons, I won’t remember everything from prior seasons, but I might not want to rewatch 5 seasons before heading into the new one. And yeah, you don’t need 12h to tell a good story. Many TV shows are giving you too much filler

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      9 hours ago

      The recaps they do are usually a few minutes at best.

      I once saw a season premiere of “Cheers.” Sam and Diane had broken up at the end of the last season, and they had Cliff do a voice over explanation of what had happened. It was hilarious and informative.

      Since we’re talking about streaming services anyway, they could do a long [10 minutes] recap with a lot of information and offer it separately from the rest of the season

    • scops@reddthat.com
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      8 hours ago

      I think this is a perfect idea for a Youtube channel. Maybe in Alt Shift X’s style. Just go through popular shows (ongoing or finished) and recap the big ongoing plot lines, characters, relationships, etc. One at the end of each season, maybe even one at the end of the series just for the sake of completion.

      I saw a recap like this for the show Dark and, well, I was still lost through most of it, but it’s a good idea. That show’s a bad example.

  • frickineh@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    I don’t necessarily care about fewer episodes if the story is still good, but the long waits mean I’ve hit the point where I generally won’t bother to watch something until it’s over. I don’t feel like investing myself if I don’t know when/if the next part is coming, so now I wait until every season is out to start watching.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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    I dislike what is behind it: increasingly greedy media companies squeezing writers and actors. Prior to the rise of prestige shows on cable, writers and principal cast would have a year contract and would get paid well enough to make the one show their only job. Now they need to look for multiple jobs a year, and there’s little to no guarantee for writers that they will get asked back for the next season if there is one.

    The war against writers specifically is also part of why there are so many remakes and sequels and adaptations of existing work: writers get paid much less for those than they do for original work.

    All that said, I think shows should have the number of episodes they need and should come out at a pace that ensures quality. Rick and Morty and Venture Brothers are both examples of shows with an unpredictable release schedule that did not harm how enjoyable they were.

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    10 hours ago

    I don’t like the long wait but I prefer it compared to the lots of episodes every year. The quality is just so much better and there are no filler episodes.

    I’ve always watched a lot British shows so I’m used to it.

  • Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    8 hours ago

    I dislike it. I’d rather they take longer and release a complete story; it’s a trend now to split a season into two or more “cours” for anime and I hate it. The studios are still doing “crunch” and burning out their employees, they’re just doing more (shorter) anime in a year.

  • snooggums@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    It depends on the show. A lot of animation and special effects heavy shows are way better as shorter seasons with time to get things right. I also love the number of limited series that tell a complete story in 6-10 hour long episodes or even better episodes that are the length they need to be to tell that part of the story.

    While some of the series with 20+ episodes churned out every year worked fine, those tended to get stretched pretty thin and while they resulted in some occasional fun one off episodes the vast majority were forgettable filler.

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    I actually like it. Less episodes works fine for me as long as good stories are being told. I’m awfully busy, I can’t dedicate much time to TV. I actually have the same thing with video games. I’d rather dedicate my time to quality self contained experiences like miniseries, than to drawn out mindless background noise levels of infinite content. I got podcasts, streamers and music to fill the silence. I no longer feel the appeal of 15 seasons of 24 episodes of 40 min each for that.

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    10 hours ago

    So I don’t mind shows having less episodes than they used to (I mean the 24 EP per season ones) but 8 and worse 6 EP are way to short. 10 is good but I think the best is like 12-15 range like ‘sons of anarchy’. As for the time between seasons way to damn long It should not be more than a year to new season tbh. It is stupid to think we are going to wait till 2026 for season 3 of HOTD for example.

  • Andrew@piefed.social
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    9 hours ago

    I’d probably mind less if I were younger. Those in the industry are not the only ones trying to “survive 'till '25” - I’m having to make healthier life choices just to make sure I get to see season 2 of Andor.

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    11 hours ago

    Not like we have a choice. This is to save money. Writers strike is a good excuse. Nobody wants fewer and longer that’s just stupid unless they already aren’t interested.

  • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club
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    9 hours ago

    Honestly, I don’t necessarily mind either of these things, although maybe it’d be different if I had more time to watch TV.

    Most of my favorite shows have actually been shorter, ever since I started watching TV more seriously in around 2018 or so. Mr. Robot, Succession, Better Things, Atlanta…these shows thrived on short seasons. I like a few shows that have longer seasons too, like 24, Lethal Weapon, Whiskey Cavalier, 9-1-1 and 9-1-1: Lone Star, but I think budgets get stretched so thin nowadays that you notice a real dip in quality in those longer seasons. 9-1-1 fans won’t admit this but a lot of the past two seasons have been a trainwreck, and I’ve sometimes wished that the seasons were actually shorter, with tighter narratives.