Mazda recently surprised customers by requiring them to sign up for a subscription in order to keep certain services. Now, notable right-to-repair advocate Louis Rossmann is calling out the brand.

It’s important to clarify that there are two very different types of remote start we’re talking about here. The first type is the one many people are familiar with where you use the key fob to start the vehicle. The second method involves using another device like a smartphone to start the car. In the latter, connected services do the heavy lifting.

Transition to paid services

What is wild is that Mazda used to offer the first option on the fob. Now, it only offers the second kind, where one starts the car via phone through its connected services for a $10 monthly subscription, which comes to $120 a year. Rossmann points out that one individual, Brandon Rorthweiler, developed a workaround in 2023 to enable remote start without Mazda’s subscription fees.

However, according to Ars Technica, Mazda filed a DMCA takedown notice to kill that open-source project. The company claimed it contained code that violated “[Mazda’s] copyright ownership” and used “certain Mazda information, including proprietary API information.”

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    9 hours ago

    I was considering a Mazda for my next car. Now I’m not.

    I live in a place that gets fucking cold in the winter. If the normal fob option were always available and you get the option to pay for the convenience using an app, that would be one thing - though $10/month for that is ridiculous. But removing the fob option and locking this basic feature behind a subscription is exactly the sort of game I don’t want my vehicle to play with me.

    Go ahead and sell roadside coverage, parts/repairs, batteries, get royalties from Sirius or whatever for extra cash flow. Make a great app that adds new convenient live-service features and is worth paying for, even. But fuck all these new subscription un-gimping games.

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      8 hours ago

      I was considering a Mazda for my next car. Now I’m not.

      I get it but also Mazda is not the only one doing this. They all are. Your only option would be to buy an older car without connected services and hope that you never need another one.

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        I was planning on going electric with my next vehicle and I’m really hoping they force all the Chinese brands to disconnect them for national security or whatever. Just that will make the special import tax worth it.

        I’m also kind of pissed at most car companies anyways, they have been dragging their feet when it comes to climate change. At least Byd is trying to offer cheap evs even if it’s to fuck with our economy.

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        8 hours ago

        Toyota, Mazda and Honda are the only makes I’ve really ever considered, or ever plan to consider. Of those 3, Honda has not gone that route yet as far as I know. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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        8 hours ago

        It took me 6 months to find a newer truck that had no Internet connectivity at all, and it was a royal PITA.

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            3 hours ago

            For some reason AA doesn’t work on my phone. I suspect it’s a USB permissions issue, but I’m not motivated enough to dig into it any deeper lol.

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        They all are. Your only option would be to buy an older car without connected services and hope that you never need another one.

        As much as I’m sure this answer will be hated, Tesla cars don’t require a subscription for basic remote services. What comes free is:

        • traffic aware navigation updates
        • OTA software updates mandated by recall
        • phone app access

        With the phone app there are zero regular features that require a monthly sub. Free things include:

        • HVAC controls
        • heated seats
        • charging stats and start/stop chargin
        • unlocking all doors, frunk and trunk
        • even changing radio/SiriusXM stations

        Tesla does have an optional monthly subscription but that gets you:

        • streaming radio
        • unlimited internet
        • traffic density notations on nav maps
        • satellite view in nav map

        However the car operates just fine without any of that optional stuff and therefor there’s no mandatory fee for regular functionality.

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          Oh noes, somebody said something positive about Tesla! Get 'em boys!

          Seriously though, I would like to see some legislation that made them offer connectivity free models. All the connectivity crap should be opt-in. If you don’t opt in they don’t connect the SIM card.

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            We don’t need “connectivity free models”, just give us a way to disable it.

            On my phone, I just pull down from the dropdown menu and toggle off whatever connectivity I don’t want on at the time. EZPZ.

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              There will be financial repercussions with the car. They want to sell that data, if you’re going to deprive them of that, they’ll expect recompense.

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          Those things are free…for now….while they feel like it. There’s nothing stopping them from charging for that stuff when their stock price dips another 20%.

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          7 hours ago

          All very true but they’ll also charge you (1-time) to software-unlock your seat heaters, motor and battery.

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          7 hours ago

          Teslas unlimited Internet package is also super cheap at $100/year the last time I checked. Competitors are multiple times more expensive.

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      The subscriptions is free for the first few years so if you plan on trading it in definitely still worth it. While this does piss me off I still really like my mazda 2020

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        That’s called giving the drugs for free then taking it away so the addiction kicks in. Fuck that noise. Stop justifying it because it’s ‘free for now’

        ISPs do this too…go look for new service, it’s a royal pain in the cock trying to find the actual cost before bullshit sales that can be taken away with minutes.