Membership vital to ‘victory plan’, Volodymyr Zelensky tells EU summit, as he warns of need for powerful deterrent against Russia

Membership vital to ‘victory plan’, Volodymyr Zelensky tells EU summit, as he warns of need for powerful deterrent against Russia

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    113·
    2 months ago

    Man if only they had those nukes like 30 years ago after the USSR collapsed.

    It would have been a MAD trump card, or could at least be used as a deterent.

    I wonder what the nuclear powers would have done to convince Ukraine to ever get rid of such nukes.

    I bet the USA would have invited them to NATO. Russia would probably make an exclusive oil deal.

    Imagine the possibilities.

    [fart_reverb.mp3]

    • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.eeEnglish
      56·
      2 months ago

      I believe the us promised to protect ukraine if they gave up their nukes. But a promise from a president only lasts as long as the president it doesnt have any enforcement behind it like nato does. It was the same type of promise given to the ussr that they wouldnt let ukraine join nato. There is a certain irony to that hey? Putin blames the us for breaking its nato expansion promise which was the same type of promise they gave ukraine to give up their nukes. Iirc.

      • Valmond@lemmy.world
        62·
        2 months ago

        Nato expansion promise? Where did you get that from and who joined NATO before 2014 that “made” russia attack Ukraine?

        It’s just bullshit kremlin talk.

        • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.eeEnglish
          34·
          2 months ago

          During the negotiations over the reunification of Germany in 1990, US Secretary of State James Baker made a verbal promise to Soviet Union Foreign Minister Alexander Bessmertnykh that NATO would not expand eastward if Russia accepted the reunification of Germany.

          The promise was made the debate is over its enforceability. Of course this promise meant nothing same as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances also meant nothing.

          So basicly putin is a hypocritical bastard by claiming the whole nato wont expand thing was a broken promise while simultaneously breaking the Budapest Memorandum.

          EDIT: found the source.