As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” […] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has. […] The reality is the United States is already dominant. The country is expected to produce 13.2 million barrels of oil per day on average this year — millions of barrels more than Saudi Arabia or Russia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/
They’re not the same, but if you look at the big picture, like a livable vs an unlivable biosphere, then the slightly-lesser evil is still omnicidally evil (and helping with a genocide).
I wish I had your privilege of only having to worry about two things; the environment and Palestine.
I’m one of those folks who has to deal with the police, doctors, schools, roads, and the possibility of a fascist takeover of the government by someone who has been praising Hitler for years.
I’m not offended - I understand most people have very different priorities. I personally think that preventing a mass extinction event is more important than police, doctors, schools, roads (for cars), and fascism; because I happen to think that a catastrophic climate cascade means nothing else matters. Healthcare is nice, but doctors will all be dead when the biosphere becomes unlivable.
I don’t stand with the genocidal Hamas voters, nor with the genocidal Israeli voters.
And that is exactly what the reply means by privilege. It is a luxury to be able to think that far ahead.
It turns out, when you’re at risk of being dead in a week, a month, or a year, you tend not to care about whether humanity will be around in 20 years.
So having the ability to focus on the long term is a privilege that the vulnerable do not have.
Of course, these things are not mutually exclusive. But when you have two parties that both suck at climate care, but only one of them is trying to incarcerate or kill LGBTQA+ folks, for example, and your focus is on things like “don’t vote for anyone or you’re supporting fascism and climate destruction” it reeks of privilege and a disregard for the immediate welfare of your neighbors.
EDIT: To put it another way - if the cost of humanity’s survival is sacrificing our LGBTQA+ neighbors, perhaps humanity is not worth saving.
“In June 2021, a federal judge struck down Biden’s pause on oil and gas leasing on federal lands, delivering a win to Republican-led states that had challenged the policy.”
You suspiciously left out how she explained that they have invested a trillion dollars towards clean energy. Aso, the increase domestic gas production she “bragged” about is to counter our need to go outside of our own, and pay out the ass for it.
It’s amazing how you people can twist shit into a narrative that suits your agenda, but when light is cast on the reality of it-
Incredible. The only one, “twisting shit into a narrative that suits your agenda” is you trying to paint all-time high gas production as a win, somehow. But whether or not it’s a win is irrelevant to the point being discussed, as is the “trillion dollar investment” that I “suspiciously” left out.
Maybe you need a refresher on the conversation so far. One person said that Biden promised to reduced drilling, then failed to keep that promise. Then someone else incorrectly said that they wanted to reduce drilling, but couldn’t because of the courts. So I presented a clip of Harris bragging about increasing gas production as an accomplishment of the administration. Now, you seem to have completely lost the plot, ignoring both the claim that they wanted to reduce gas production but were stopped, and the fact that Biden promised to reduce it in the first place, and are suddenly taking a completely different tact.
Why don’t you take issue with the person claiming that they wanted to reduce it, but couldn’t? They’re spreading misinformation to deny one of the Biden administrations “accomplishments,” and claiming that he was trying to do a bad thing, are they not?
Of course, it’s plain why you don’t do that, because facts don’t matter at all to you, it’s all about partisan loyalty. If one person says that Biden wanted to do a good thing by cutting gas production, but couldn’t, you’re fine with that, because they’re loyal to your team. If someone else says that they increased gas production, which is a good thing, you’re fine with that too, because they’re also on your team. The fact that those two positions are completely contradictory doesn’t seem to phase you at all.
Some of us believe in a single, observable reality, as opposed to holding every position that supports your agenda as simultaneously true in direct contradiction of reason and evidence.
Myabe you need a refresher on the conversation so far. The initial point was increase in drilling on federal lands and not overall gas production for the country. You are quite a bit cherry picking and mixing apples with oranges in this conversation.
Well its nice we are getting back to the initial subject but drilling is permitted on the lands and that predates the administration. It has been democratic administrations that have restricted drilling in large swatches and republican that have lifted those restrictions. Once its allowed the permits are just about who does it and they can delay somewhat but not disallow them if they do everything according to the law.
The only person who deviated from the initial subject was Rhoeri, who appears to be on your side despite the two of you believing directly contradictory things. You could’ve responded to my first comment if you weren’t interested in that deviation.
So to make sure I understand your position, you’re saying that Harris was lying when she said “we have also increased gas production to historic levels,” because her administration had nothing to do with it, and in fact opposed it, correct? Before investigating further, I want to clearly establish what your position is, and whether you are willing to acknowledge facts even when they are inconvenient for your team. If you’re putting party before truth, then there’s no point in discussing anything.
So maybe the right-wing Biden shouldn’t have promised with “Period. Period. Period. Period.” something the even more right-wing Republicans’ judges could strike down.
There’s a difference between saying you want to stop something, vs saying that thing is not going to happen “Period. Period. Period. Period.” when you end up doing the thing anyway.
If you care about honesty, and in this case if you care about a biosphere in which people are able to live, then it matters.
Historical evidence suggests that radical honesty regarding complex issues is not a winning political strategy.
One of the main reasons democrats lose so much is because they often prefer to take the moral high ground instead of, you know, winning.
Psychology has been weaponized and your faith in the general public to reward honesty is, sadly, misguided. We know this. It’s been proven out over and over again, in many ways…
So we can stick our heads in the sand, or we can play the game and then govern to the best of our ability after winning.
They’re not the same, but if you look at the big picture, like a livable vs an unlivable biosphere, then the slightly-lesser evil is still omnicidally evil (and helping with a genocide).
I wish I had your privilege of only having to worry about two things; the environment and Palestine.
I’m one of those folks who has to deal with the police, doctors, schools, roads, and the possibility of a fascist takeover of the government by someone who has been praising Hitler for years.
I’m sorry if I’ve offended your high morals.
I’m not offended - I understand most people have very different priorities. I personally think that preventing a mass extinction event is more important than police, doctors, schools, roads (for cars), and fascism; because I happen to think that a catastrophic climate cascade means nothing else matters. Healthcare is nice, but doctors will all be dead when the biosphere becomes unlivable.
I don’t stand with the genocidal Hamas voters, nor with the genocidal Israeli voters.
And that is exactly what the reply means by privilege. It is a luxury to be able to think that far ahead.
It turns out, when you’re at risk of being dead in a week, a month, or a year, you tend not to care about whether humanity will be around in 20 years.
So having the ability to focus on the long term is a privilege that the vulnerable do not have.
Of course, these things are not mutually exclusive. But when you have two parties that both suck at climate care, but only one of them is trying to incarcerate or kill LGBTQA+ folks, for example, and your focus is on things like “don’t vote for anyone or you’re supporting fascism and climate destruction” it reeks of privilege and a disregard for the immediate welfare of your neighbors.
EDIT: To put it another way - if the cost of humanity’s survival is sacrificing our LGBTQA+ neighbors, perhaps humanity is not worth saving.
“In June 2021, a federal judge struck down Biden’s pause on oil and gas leasing on federal lands, delivering a win to Republican-led states that had challenged the policy.”
Harris literally bragged about increasing domestic gas production to an all time high. The “hands-are-tied” bit is bullshit.
You suspiciously left out how she explained that they have invested a trillion dollars towards clean energy. Aso, the increase domestic gas production she “bragged” about is to counter our need to go outside of our own, and pay out the ass for it.
It’s amazing how you people can twist shit into a narrative that suits your agenda, but when light is cast on the reality of it-
You have nothing.
Incredible. The only one, “twisting shit into a narrative that suits your agenda” is you trying to paint all-time high gas production as a win, somehow. But whether or not it’s a win is irrelevant to the point being discussed, as is the “trillion dollar investment” that I “suspiciously” left out.
Maybe you need a refresher on the conversation so far. One person said that Biden promised to reduced drilling, then failed to keep that promise. Then someone else incorrectly said that they wanted to reduce drilling, but couldn’t because of the courts. So I presented a clip of Harris bragging about increasing gas production as an accomplishment of the administration. Now, you seem to have completely lost the plot, ignoring both the claim that they wanted to reduce gas production but were stopped, and the fact that Biden promised to reduce it in the first place, and are suddenly taking a completely different tact.
Why don’t you take issue with the person claiming that they wanted to reduce it, but couldn’t? They’re spreading misinformation to deny one of the Biden administrations “accomplishments,” and claiming that he was trying to do a bad thing, are they not?
Of course, it’s plain why you don’t do that, because facts don’t matter at all to you, it’s all about partisan loyalty. If one person says that Biden wanted to do a good thing by cutting gas production, but couldn’t, you’re fine with that, because they’re loyal to your team. If someone else says that they increased gas production, which is a good thing, you’re fine with that too, because they’re also on your team. The fact that those two positions are completely contradictory doesn’t seem to phase you at all.
Some of us believe in a single, observable reality, as opposed to holding every position that supports your agenda as simultaneously true in direct contradiction of reason and evidence.
Myabe you need a refresher on the conversation so far. The initial point was increase in drilling on federal lands and not overall gas production for the country. You are quite a bit cherry picking and mixing apples with oranges in this conversation.
As was already mentioned in the top level comment, the Biden administration outpaced Trump on drilling permits on federal land.
Also, strange that you’re defending someone who thinks increasing drilling is a good thing, care to explain that?
Well its nice we are getting back to the initial subject but drilling is permitted on the lands and that predates the administration. It has been democratic administrations that have restricted drilling in large swatches and republican that have lifted those restrictions. Once its allowed the permits are just about who does it and they can delay somewhat but not disallow them if they do everything according to the law.
The only person who deviated from the initial subject was Rhoeri, who appears to be on your side despite the two of you believing directly contradictory things. You could’ve responded to my first comment if you weren’t interested in that deviation.
So to make sure I understand your position, you’re saying that Harris was lying when she said “we have also increased gas production to historic levels,” because her administration had nothing to do with it, and in fact opposed it, correct? Before investigating further, I want to clearly establish what your position is, and whether you are willing to acknowledge facts even when they are inconvenient for your team. If you’re putting party before truth, then there’s no point in discussing anything.
So maybe the right-wing Biden shouldn’t have promised with “Period. Period. Period. Period.” something the even more right-wing Republicans’ judges could strike down.
By that logic literally nothing would ever get done because everything is always opposed by someone.
There’s a difference between saying you want to stop something, vs saying that thing is not going to happen “Period. Period. Period. Period.” when you end up doing the thing anyway.
If you care about honesty, and in this case if you care about a biosphere in which people are able to live, then it matters.
It’s possible to do things, and to be honest.
Historical evidence suggests that radical honesty regarding complex issues is not a winning political strategy.
One of the main reasons democrats lose so much is because they often prefer to take the moral high ground instead of, you know, winning.
Psychology has been weaponized and your faith in the general public to reward honesty is, sadly, misguided. We know this. It’s been proven out over and over again, in many ways…
So we can stick our heads in the sand, or we can play the game and then govern to the best of our ability after winning.
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