• Cleggory@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    If you believe mindlessly endorsing genocide is the easy thing, we have little in common.

    If democrats as a group broadly endorse the genocide of Palestinians, how can they still be taken seriously regarding issues like abortion (rights ended during Dem presidency) and BLM?

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      19 days ago

      It sounds like you believe most people who identify as Democrats are actively rooting for the horrifyingly high number of Palestinian deaths, in the tens of thousands, to progress to the millions. Is that an accurate description of your viewpoint? If so, are there some key things that made you start believing that?

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          19 days ago

          I believe all humans, Democrats included, have capacity for fascism.

          Do you believe most Democrats are actively rooting for most of the millions of Palestinians to be killed?

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            19 days ago

            I want to understand your question. Do you believe 50% is the only key threshold where support for genocide becomes problematic?

            If less than most Democrats support genocide, then there is no cause for concern?

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              19 days ago

              I believe the fact that anyone, anywhere, of any group, supports mass murder for its own sake is damning of us as a species. I am looking to understand what you believe. I would be grateful for any details you are willing to share.

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                19 days ago

                Is there a reason you refuse to make your question more clear?

                I want to understand your question. Do you believe 50% is the only key threshold where support for genocide becomes problematic?

                If less than most Democrats support genocide, then there is no cause for concern?

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      19 days ago

      If you don’t believe that strategic voting is critical to achieving what are inherently long term goals, then we have little in common.

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        19 days ago

        we have little in common

        Yes, I did say that.

        Democrats nominating a war monger was a sign of high minded strategy?

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          19 days ago
          1. her position wrt Israel and Palestine wasn’t clear when she was nominated (though I don’t think it was all that hard to anticipate, but here we are); (2) the upcoming vote isn’t for her nomination to the democratic ticket, is it?

          No one is saying they don’t wish the practical reality in which we live was better, but we are looking at two realistic choices right now. One choice will not only greatly worsen the situation and almost undoubtedly lead to more suffering and death in the Levant, it is also quite literally the highly preferred choice by Netanyahu. The other has in the past, before soliciting as many US votes as possible, at least displayed a willingness to criticize the Israeli government and modulate US policies regarding it. So I dunno what to tell you. At the end of the day, I’m pro-Palestinians not being murdered, and could give a fuck about signaling on social media, so I make practical choices to facilitate my as-many-Palestinians-as-possible-not-being-murdered preference. Maybe you don’t have that in common with me.

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            19 days ago

            How was her position unclear?

            Google:

            August 7, 2024 (Harris was certified by the Democratic National Committee)

            A previous report from August 15, 2024, stated that the death toll in Gaza had reached over 40,000.

            I have nothing in common who sees these innocent people dead as a sign Harris somehow shares a value of “pro-Palestinians not being murdered”.

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              19 days ago

              Ah, so you’re actively avoiding engaging reasonably with what I and others are saying. Good luck to you. Sorry to hear you’re comfortable with more Palestinians being murdered so you can signal on social media.

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        19 days ago

        Not everyone has the capacity to engage with hard questions.

        Not that you tried anyway.

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            19 days ago

            You can still attempt an answer, I’m not trying to discourage you.

            If democrats as a group broadly endorse the genocide of Palestinians, how can they still be taken seriously regarding issues like abortion (rights ended during Dem presidency) and BLM?

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              19 days ago

              Oh, you meant that particular failure in logic of a question. Yeah nah, I’m not playing that game after your intentional disregard for what I said.