• Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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    18 days ago

    Man I wish North Americans were as scared of fascism and genocide as they are communism.

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        18 days ago

        Cool. Now, let’s start getting into whether communism is “extremism” or not, rather than just begging the question.

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          18 days ago

          Any talk of communism is a “red” herring when it comes to this topic. Russia isn’t in any way officially, notionally, or superficially communist.

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            17 days ago

            People still be calling Russia communist even though the Soviet Union famously fell under Boris Yeltsin

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              17 days ago

              … and people calling themselves communist still leaping to its defence, for some inexplicable reason.

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                  17 days ago

                  It’s more the idea that a lot of communists have that “anything that challenges American global hegemony = automatically good.”

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                    Colloquially referred to as “Tankies”. America = Bad, therefore Not America = Good mostly sums up Tankie takes, but more properly Tankies is a pejorative for authoritarian communists, usually apologists for China and the CCP nowadays. IIRC originally it referred to communist parties in Western countries that excused Soviet actions during the Prague Spring and such, although I’d say that is an obsolete term.

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            18 days ago

            That’s because western propaganda has destroyed your ability to learn or think critically about anything left of capitalism. It’s not really your fault, it’s trillions spent on creating that mentality.

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              No, it’s because communism is an extremist ideology. You literally can’t go farther left on the political spectrum than communism. That is the very definition of extremism.

              By the way, capitalism is not a political ideology. It’s an economic one. I am a capitalist, but a centrist Libertarian one. I used to consider myself left of center, but the insanity of the left since Oct 7, 2023, has caused me to shift right of center.

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                17 days ago

                Using the left and right spectrum is idiotic and not indicative of how extreme an ideology is. It’s like… 6th grade understanding of the nuances and philosophy of political, economic, and social issues and was created to make capitalism seem like a reasonable centrist position.

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                  17 days ago

                  Actually, it sounds more like you’re dismissing a standard political spectrum model to make communism sound less extreme than it is. Would you feel better if I used the word ‘radical’ rather than ‘extreme’?

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                    17 days ago

                    So extreme and radical to you are just “the further away an ideology is from our current form of capitalism, the more extreme it is” then?

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                17 days ago

                You literally can’t go farther left on the political spectrum than communism.

                By the way, capitalism is not a political ideology.

                You contradict yourself.

                By your own logic, if capitalism isn’t a political ideology then neither is communism.

                The fact that you wrote these in the same comment lets everyone know that either you are ignorant, or you are extremely misinformed on the subject at hand.

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                  17 days ago

                  Communism is inherently a political/economic ideology. Capitalism is primarily an economic ideology with political implications.

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                Capitalism is indefensible from a libertarian perspective. A central libertarian tenet is that legal and de facto responsibility should match. However, the capitalist employer-employee contract inherently involves a violation of this tenet. The employer gets 100% of the legal responsibility for the positive and negative results of the enterprise. Despite workers’ joint de facto responsibility for using up inputs to produce outputs, workers as employees get 0%

                @canada

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                  It’s been a long time since I’ve read any of this stuff - do you have a reference for the claim about legal and de facto responsibility?

                  That being said, I would argue that they are not incompatible but rather that capitalism acts as a constraint on liberty. That being said, it is the economic system in which liberty is maximized relative to any other system. No doubt that’s why it has persisted.

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                    17 days ago

                    Liberty and longevity are not directly related. History has in fact shown the opposite. Like… capitalism is only a few hundred years old at most, and has only existed in its current form since the 18th century. Compare that to systems of fuedalism, monarchism, places that have had oppressive regimes since conception like Saudi Arabia. Also look at how our current form of capitalism has subsisted largely on the backs of usee countries being bled and made to kneel by usar countries, which is arguably the largest contributor to its perceived longevity.

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            I mean, this is blatantly obvious, but you’re probably American or some other western propaganda laden countries citizen, so I’ll let it slide. To compre Communism to Fascism is like comparing apples to some fruit that’s entire ideology is based on corporate slavery and racial inequality. You understand how apples have nothing to do with that and are not similar in any way. So to compare the two as if they are the same is a false equivalency.

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              The underlying ideologies are different, but I suspect the common feature the commenter was referring to is the practical tendency of both fascism and communism to develop into a totalitarian state.

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        16 days ago

        “All forms of extremism are bad.” Is itself an extreme statement.