I’ve said some incredibly cruel, bad faith things in political discussions but I’m struggling to recall ever telling someone asking for an end to a genocide that they were a foreign spy trying to sabotage the ascension of the god-queen.
Like this is just the face of evil. And after literal decades of throwing “Soviet genocides” in our face as evidence we’re iredeemable monsters. And they just never cared at all. Every accusation is a confession. They made up Soviet and Chinese genocides because they thought it levelled the field and would rob us of moral high ground. They never thought genocide was bad or cared about their imaginary victims.
Wow, the comments on that are getting even worse since you commented.
One of them linked unironically right back to the OP without a trace of critical thinking about what that top-level comment on OP was saying.
Another one did a double genocide theory style “Which of the 4 ongoing genocides would that be then?”
I think we can all agree there are NOT four distinct events going on that deserve the label of genocide alongside the Holocaust and Rwandan genocide. Claiming otherwise diminishes the Holocaust. Shouldn’t we be able to call that antisemitic?
It’s more than just diminishing the holocaust. It’s trying to find a way to continue using it (in this case by inappropriately invoking its memory) as a means to promote capital. It’s absolutely antisemitic.
Acknowleding that the us is leading multiple genocides (thought they might be a xinjiang/ukraine genocide truther) as some kind of gotcha is just… i don’t really have a word for that.
I can confidentaly define four ongoing US lead genocides right now
of Palestinians
of Yemenis
of Trans people
That the US is committing genocide against trans people right now is controversial due to misunderstandings of the term but the actions of the US government are a textbook example if you go by the text of the Genocide convention.
And
of Indigenous Americans
The thing with defining genocide is, for it to matter, you have to recognize it, define it, and stop it before it becomes Rwanda or the Shoah. We often think of genocide only in terms of genocides that have been successfully completed.
It’s also important to recognize, as with Trans people in the US, that a genocide does not require active mass killing to be genocide. The Genocide Convention recognizes processes other than murder as genocide, focusing on genocide as an attempt to exterminate a group based on essential characteristics whether that is done by direct killing or by suppression and dismantling of the group. This includes inflicting severe mental harm as well as sterilization and kidnapping children, and genocide scholars today recognize methods and processes beyond was is defined in the original Genocide Convention.
That’s part of what makes double-holocaust myths so pernicious and dangerous - it blurs the lines and obscures the actual methods and purpose of the crime of genocide.
I think we’re seeing right now the purpose of invented genocide narratives in Ukraine, Tibet, and Xinjiang. NATOstan created these fake genocides in order to create moral equivalency between its crimes and “in bad country” enemy nations. People of NATO can tell themselves “everyone does it” and believe that genocide is just 21st century realpolitik if they believe that their absolutely depraved fictive enemies are doing the same thing. “Every accusation is a confession”.
That’s at least a fair and well reasoned argument as to where you might get such a number, and by no means was I intending to downplay the evil of the U.S.
I’ll be honest that I thought the indigenous American genocide has already been successfully completed. Is it still ongoing?
I also only have a vague idea about Yemen. Could you provide some resources on where to get some decent information on it?
There are ~2 million indigenous Americans scattered around the country from many different tribes, nations, and ethnic groups. The us is still using a lot of it’s old colonial systems, for example the “blood quantum” system, intended to exterminate indigenous Americans as a distinct culture. Indigenous Americans are also trapped in conditions of extreme poverty due to both historic and contemporary policies that are de facto social murder. It’s a big, awful, complex issue due to how many different groups of indigenous people their are, the us’s patchwork of quasi-independent states, and all sorts of other stuff but if you stand back far enough it’s genocide.
For Yemen, you’d want to look at the US/Saudi war against the Houthis that started back during Obama/Biden. The Saudis couldn’t win a fist fight with a drunk card board box let alone fight Ansarallah on the ground. So they went with extermination by destroying food, water, and medical infrastructure to spread disease and starvation. It’s the quickest way to murder huge numbers of people, especially children.
I saw someone in another thread cite a list of ongoing genocides that included North Korea. When I asked who they’re even meant to be genociding, they did not respond, but another user answered, “Themselves.”
https://lemmy.ml/post/21850844/14586738
I’ve said some incredibly cruel, bad faith things in political discussions but I’m struggling to recall ever telling someone asking for an end to a genocide that they were a foreign spy trying to sabotage the ascension of the god-queen.
Like this is just the face of evil. And after literal decades of throwing “Soviet genocides” in our face as evidence we’re iredeemable monsters. And they just never cared at all. Every accusation is a confession. They made up Soviet and Chinese genocides because they thought it levelled the field and would rob us of moral high ground. They never thought genocide was bad or cared about their imaginary victims.
Wow, the comments on that are getting even worse since you commented.
One of them linked unironically right back to the OP without a trace of critical thinking about what that top-level comment on OP was saying.
Another one did a double genocide theory style “Which of the 4 ongoing genocides would that be then?”
I think we can all agree there are NOT four distinct events going on that deserve the label of genocide alongside the Holocaust and Rwandan genocide.
Claiming otherwise diminishes the Holocaust. Shouldn’t we be able to call that antisemitic? 
It’s more than just diminishing the holocaust. It’s trying to find a way to continue using it (in this case by inappropriately invoking its memory) as a means to promote capital. It’s absolutely antisemitic.
Acknowleding that the us is leading multiple genocides (thought they might be a xinjiang/ukraine genocide truther) as some kind of gotcha is just… i don’t really have a word for that.
I can confidentaly define four ongoing US lead genocides right now
of Palestinians
of Yemenis
of Trans people
That the US is committing genocide against trans people right now is controversial due to misunderstandings of the term but the actions of the US government are a textbook example if you go by the text of the Genocide convention.
And
The thing with defining genocide is, for it to matter, you have to recognize it, define it, and stop it before it becomes Rwanda or the Shoah. We often think of genocide only in terms of genocides that have been successfully completed.
It’s also important to recognize, as with Trans people in the US, that a genocide does not require active mass killing to be genocide. The Genocide Convention recognizes processes other than murder as genocide, focusing on genocide as an attempt to exterminate a group based on essential characteristics whether that is done by direct killing or by suppression and dismantling of the group. This includes inflicting severe mental harm as well as sterilization and kidnapping children, and genocide scholars today recognize methods and processes beyond was is defined in the original Genocide Convention.
That’s part of what makes double-holocaust myths so pernicious and dangerous - it blurs the lines and obscures the actual methods and purpose of the crime of genocide.
I think we’re seeing right now the purpose of invented genocide narratives in Ukraine, Tibet, and Xinjiang. NATOstan created these fake genocides in order to create moral equivalency between its crimes and “in bad country” enemy nations. People of NATO can tell themselves “everyone does it” and believe that genocide is just 21st century realpolitik if they believe that their absolutely depraved fictive enemies are doing the same thing. “Every accusation is a confession”.
Link to UN genocide convention
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.pdf
That’s at least a fair and well reasoned argument as to where you might get such a number, and by no means was I intending to downplay the evil of the U.S.
I’ll be honest that I thought the indigenous American genocide has already been successfully completed. Is it still ongoing?
I also only have a vague idea about Yemen. Could you provide some resources on where to get some decent information on it?
There are ~2 million indigenous Americans scattered around the country from many different tribes, nations, and ethnic groups. The us is still using a lot of it’s old colonial systems, for example the “blood quantum” system, intended to exterminate indigenous Americans as a distinct culture. Indigenous Americans are also trapped in conditions of extreme poverty due to both historic and contemporary policies that are de facto social murder. It’s a big, awful, complex issue due to how many different groups of indigenous people their are, the us’s patchwork of quasi-independent states, and all sorts of other stuff but if you stand back far enough it’s genocide.
For Yemen, you’d want to look at the US/Saudi war against the Houthis that started back during Obama/Biden. The Saudis couldn’t win a fist fight with a drunk card board box let alone fight Ansarallah on the ground. So they went with extermination by destroying food, water, and medical infrastructure to spread disease and starvation. It’s the quickest way to murder huge numbers of people, especially children.
I saw someone in another thread cite a list of ongoing genocides that included North Korea. When I asked who they’re even meant to be genociding, they did not respond, but another user answered, “Themselves.”
Okay I don’t want to go melt my brain, what are the four they’re talking about? Palestine and then what. Ukraine? Uyghurs? Tigray?
That seems like a plausible list. Those would be the most prominent real and fake genocides that would be recognizable to most online people.