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Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they’re about to be hunted for sport.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/30986085
Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they’re about to be hunted for sport.
OK. Then why are you blaming the left? If it’s basic human decency to vote against Trump, why aren’t moderate Republicans Harris was campaigning for responsible for this loss? Why do you demand the left elect your politicians out of sense of empathy, even though the Democrats don’t want address the issues that are important to them, but these moderates that the entire campaign was tailored to aren’t held to the same standards? Why do you expect more decency from the people you ignore than the people you campaign for?
Simple, because those are the people it should matter to. Those are the people with the most to lose. Those are the people who are more likely to have LGBTQ+ friends and family. The moderates don’t give a shit and should never have been catered to in the first place, but these people tossed aside the people and things they claim to love in order to make a stand. That’s why I expect more from them, because they’re in a position to be more hurt by it.
I consider myself progressive and I voted for Harris, but when you say
I would assume some of those progressives that stayed home, just might not believe that the DNC would help them. I know it sounds crazy knowing history, but people feel how they feel. Especially when they see LGBTQ+ rights get rolled back, or companies quietly taking back pride month gear. If people look for who is fighting for them and can’t find that in a political party, they won’t vote.
We can argue that the LGBTQ+/GAZA/ or any other situation with a DNC win would be better than a trump win. But if that message isn’t getting through then the problem lies with the DNC.
Stop going after the centrist vote. They are just not that into you.
Oh, I get it now; you’re fucking entitled. You’re entitled to the progressives’ support, even if they have to support a genocide they find morally reprehensible. You’re entitled to the time they spend standing in a poll line, even if their a poor, hourly worker that’s giving up a shift to be there. You’re entitled to their vote, even if your party doesn’t earn it. Well, maybe someday you’ll also feel entitled to competent party leadership that can turn out the fucking vote.
“Wanting people who are supposedly on the Left to vote against fascism is entitlement”
Yeah, that’s about the tune that’s been played for the past year or os.
No, wanting one specific group to save you from fascism, even though you offer them nothing, is fucking entitled. You want the God damn left to show up and bail your asses out every god Damn election, but you never want to offer them a God damn thing. We don’t even have the numbers yet, so we have no fucking clue how many progressives showed up for Harris, but this sub is already filling up with folks whose first (and only) move is to punch left. The Democrats want to try to win by exclusively chasing centrists’ votes? Then go blame the fucking centrists when you lose. Or better yet, blame the party, since it’s literally their God damn job to win elections.
That we refuse to save?
I’m sure you have a great screed ready about how both sides are the same, but considering that one side just won, you shouldn’t be bothered in the least.
You want to be pandered to, and think that’s what involvement in an election is about, not the exercise of political power by the citizenry. You had power. You did nothing with it. You stood by as fascism swept into stronger positions. And you fascist-enablers absolutely deserve a share of the blame.
Have fun with yourselves, Zentrum.
Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder? I’m not a god Damn political party that spent $7 billion this election, and I don’t get to dictate the Democratic strategy.
I actually don’t think both sides are the same, but you’re welcome to go through my comment history and check that. You won’t find any both-sides comments, but you’ll find a lot of comments like, “Harris needs to distance herself from Biden’s position on Gaza,” and, “campaigning with Republicans is going to depress progressive turnout.” But again, I’m not the God damn DNC, so I didn’t get to make that choice. I do have to sit with the consequences, but I’m not going to sit with the blame.
It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you. And if you are going to pander to the center, you better be able to win with the fucking center.
No, you aren’t at fault, then. But fascism-enablers who refused to vote and beat the “BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME” drum absolutely are, and playing defense for them is inexplicable.
Then the Democrats certainly had plenty to offer the left. It’s just that the left decided it wasn’t enough.
I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals. If one says, “I’m not going to pick the side closer to me because it doesn’t give me enough asspats or fuzzy feelies”, they’re treating politics as a personal and spiritual experience, not an actual, practical exercise of power.
Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids. You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them. And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.