I did listen and while Rogan is unbearable to me, I do think a presidential candidate can’t say no to an invitation to someone with this reach. If the interview were to be like your link, that would have helped Harris in the end, in my opinion. It’s Joe Rogan the one acting like an idiot here, not the caller. Even if his audience may love him, I don’t know, the population that do not have any attachment for the guy would stand on Harris’ side.