• rumba
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    2 days ago

    A little bit of me dies everytime a “moderate” conflates populism with evil.

    conflate sure, but they’re not mutually exclusive.

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      Obviously not.

      But populists fucking win elections.

      No one is saying the Dems need to run an evil populist. Or someone that lies about being a populist, like trump.

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        I’m more concerned that a populist Dem is a unicorn. The closest I’ve ever seen is Sanders or AOC and they’re hardly mass appeal popular.

        Anyone with a solid conscience and mass appeal that we actually know wouldn’t want the job.

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          . The closest I’ve ever seen is Sanders or AOC and they’re hardly mass appeal popular.

          What?

          Bernie could actually get republican voters and people who think the current Dem party is too far right.

          Withe division along party lines being so deep, progressives are probably the most popular politicians in America right now, everyone else just most of their own party likes them. They’re capped at 1/3 approval because of that

          People continuingly act like 1/3 of the country just doesn’t vote.

          We saw in 08 with Obama they’ll show up for a Dem running a populist campaign, and for whatever reason that’s the last time we’ve tried it in 16 years.

          Neoliberalism isn’t popular enough to win elections. And all it’s ever accomplished was driving Republicans to ever increasing extremes.

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            Bernie could actually get republican voters

            nah, not buying that one. Never seen ANY inclination for them to call him anything but a dirty socialist.

            People continuingly act like 1/3 of the country just doesn’t vote.

            do you have any data that suggests overwise?

            We saw in 08 with Obama they’ll show up for a Dem running a populist campaign,

            63.6% turnout. Less white votes, more minority votes than 2000 or even 2004

            Neoliberalism isn’t popular enough to win elections

            This we can ardently agree on.

            edit: spaces for formatting

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              They call all Democrats dirty socialists already. If you start running somebody with popular policies it’ll be harder to boogie man them away.

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          they’re hardly mass appeal popular.

          100% propaganda pushed by the capitalist (and therefore anti-populist) mass media.