Germany's Greens would deliver Taurus missiles – DW – 11/17/2024
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Germany’s Economy Minister Robert Habeck, who is currently the Green Party’s chancellor candidate in the upcoming elections, said that if elected, he would send Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has repeatedly asked his allies for long-range weapons so that the Ukrainian military can attack Russian logistics centers and military bases far behind the front line and within Russian territory.

But until now, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has chosen not to supply Taurus cruise missiles, saying they could enable Ukraine to also hit targets in the Russian capital Moscow.

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Meanwhile, French President Emmanuel Macron reacted to the Russian air barrage on Ukraine, saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin “does not want peace and is not ready to negotiate.”

“It’s clear that President Putin intends to intensify the fighting,” Macron said.

He made the remarks as he prepared to leave Argentina to attend the G20 Summit in Brazil.

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The French president, however, said Ukraine’s allies “must remain united … on an agenda for genuine peace, that is to say, a peace that does not mean Ukraine’s surrender.”

Macron highlighted that his country’s priority was to “equip, support and help Ukraine to resist.”

  • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
    303·
    8 hours ago

    It’s kind of ironic and pretty bitter. The Greens were founded by environmentalists and pacifists.
    Their slogan was “never again war, never again genocide”

    And both times they were part of a government coalition, they immediately had to decide on an active involvement in a European war (Yugoslavia and Ukraine).
    Cause in both wars, “never again war, never again genocide” wasn’t an option.
    They had to chose one, and they chose to get involved in the war to stop a genocide.

    • gajustempus@feddit.orgEnglish
      14·
      6 hours ago

      Pacifism doesn’t mean you cannot defend yourself or surrender against an attacker.

      And that’s the whole point here: Ukraine isn’t waging a war, they’re defending against an invasion.

      • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
        410·
        6 hours ago

        But pacifism does usually mean you don’t join a war where you aren’t attacked yourself.
        Which is the situation the German Greens are in.

        Yes, Ukraine is legitimately, directly, currently defending itself.
        Germany isn’t.

            • tobogganablaze@lemmus.orgEnglish
              4·
              5 hours ago

              So if you eat at a restaurant, is the chef joining you for dinner because they’re supplying you with food?

              • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
                11·
                3 hours ago

                Are Russian factory workers building artillery shells for Russian soldiers not part of the war?
                If they are, then why not also German factory workers building artillery shells for Ukrainian soldiers?

                • tobogganablaze@lemmus.orgEnglish
                  2·
                  3 hours ago

                  Russia has declared war on Ukraine, therefore it is at war.

                  Germany had not declared war on anyone nor has anyone declared war on us, hence we are not at war.

                  • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
                    1·
                    3 hours ago

                    Russia hasn’t declared war on anyone either.
                    (If you claimed it did while you’re in Russia, you’d risk up to 15 years in prison.)
                    So an official declaration of war isn’t a good benchmark for whether a country is at war.

                    Boots on the ground is probably the best metric.
                    But by that metric, NATO wasn’t involved in Yugoslavia, either.

                    When Germans build computer-guided artillery systems, program their software to lock in the allowed target area and muntion-types, deliver them to Ukraine, a Ukrainian soldier clicks a touchscreen to fire it, and when it is worn out or damaged it is sent back to Germany to be fixed, you can’t tell me that Germany isn’t involved in that war.

    • RedPandaRaider@feddit.orgEnglish
      24·
      6 hours ago

      Comparing Yugoslavia to Ukraine is not a good comparison. The involvement in the Balkan war was an absolute disaster and the point where the Green party of Germany turned to shit. They didn’t become advocates for defending yourself, they’re not doing it for the sake of the countries that are being invaded or suffering from war crimes. They’re doing it because they became outright transatlantic puppets.