Remember when they had a hissy fit about a Supreme Court nomination too close to an election, refused to fill and then decided the opposite was true if trump was in charge?
I think overall there is no pathway to seating kamala and it would just be a waste of time. At the same time, though, what a way to send a message. I think if the democrats understood how deep under water they were it would be the most beautiful death throw.
Ehhh, I think it sends a message to any Independent or wavering trump voter that “hey, 'member all the threat to democracy stuff we talked about? Yeah, just kidding!”
You’re not being the adult. The adult gets their hands dirty when it’s time to get their hands dirty. Who watches the watchers? The answer isn’t crime fighting vigilantes. It’s other watchers.
Decorum. Rules. Norms. Can and will all be ignored. The Republicans will use every facet of their power and the democrats will pray to the gods of civility that the Republicans stop.
This time is different, though. This time they said they will not freely cede power. I think you will find it makes a big differnce.
Yeah, it signals to every both sider that they were right all along, and all the people they’ve been prosthelytizing to might actually start believing them.
If you want to be on the side of democracy, you don’t just decide to stop being democratic unless you’ve given up.
You’re not going to solve anything by playing by their rules, you’re only going to galvanize them. They are the party of “government doesn’t work”, doing this just gives them more ammo.
The government doesn’t work if one side can break the law and walk away scott free and if the other side does the same exact thing they have consequences. What’s there left to argue at that point?
Are you saying the Democrats, after called trump’s use of fake electors a threat to democracy, should try that failed tactic?
And are you saying this for 2024? After the Dems lost the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and Congress, Dems should try to install Kamala as the 2024 winner?
Or that they should do that in 2028, regardless of the outcome or only if Republicana don’t cede power or?
The problem is that the democrats are playing the game called “democracy.” The Republicans stopped following the rules of the game because they don’t want to play it anymore. If the Democrats do what the Republicans do, then the game is no longer be played. You can’t really give up on democracy and then bring it back. It rarely ever works that way.
If you cede the ground of democratic norms, rules, and policies just to win, you ultimately lose because you no longer have a democracy. In many respects, getting the Democrats to start doing the same thing is precisely what the Republicans want. Because that means they can finish burying democracy, and they’re better positioned to win the game called “fascism.”
Yeah, but as this election showed, people cant be trusted. Theres no need to try and preserve our “democracy” because our democracy led to this. Instead, democrats just need to take over via any means neccassary.
Sounds like a brilliant plan. “They’re being fascist so we have to be fascist!” has worked so well in history.
You effectively said, “I didn’t do anything to change anyone’s mind, and neither did the party that I support through the bare minimum of voting once every four years, so since the majority of people in this country don’t agree with me, I think I want to play fascism instead of democracy too! Except I’m the good kind of fascist! I just don’t think the majority of voters should get their way, that’s all.”
The board is set. The dems can pretend democracy as usual but it will all be fruitless. Now is the time to peel back any remaining facade of the america we once knew and go toe to toe with the fascist take over. The longer we wait the deeper they will burrow into the heart of this nations government and one morning you’ll just wake up living in a fascist regime.
They would be exposing the hypocrites. They already look look like fucking morons for losing to trump, again, so not much to salvage there. Tell me any American could not miss the message when democrats stop the confirmation, roll out their own fake electors, and confirm kamala herself. Hell, have biden make it an official act because why not? Any person to object to it could not be totally lost on them this is exactly what Trump attempted to do and will not be punished for it.
Now, anyone knows this plan will fall flat. That’s not how these things work. It would just stir the pot so brilliantly it might actually get the little brain cell they are guarding to light up.
Who would get fired up who wasn’t already on side? Independents or those on the fence would just note that the Democrats were pulling the same nonsense they just spent four years crying fascism about. Right wingers would just see confirmation that the rules don’t matter. On the Left, the adults among us would see this as a stupid, hypocritical temper tantrum with no possibility of success and a further erosion of democratic norms.
Sure, and?
Remember when they had a hissy fit about a Supreme Court nomination too close to an election, refused to fill and then decided the opposite was true if trump was in charge?
I think overall there is no pathway to seating kamala and it would just be a waste of time. At the same time, though, what a way to send a message. I think if the democrats understood how deep under water they were it would be the most beautiful death throw.
Ehhh, I think it sends a message to any Independent or wavering trump voter that “hey, 'member all the threat to democracy stuff we talked about? Yeah, just kidding!”
Sucks to be the adult party but such is life.
You’re not being the adult. The adult gets their hands dirty when it’s time to get their hands dirty. Who watches the watchers? The answer isn’t crime fighting vigilantes. It’s other watchers.
Decorum. Rules. Norms. Can and will all be ignored. The Republicans will use every facet of their power and the democrats will pray to the gods of civility that the Republicans stop.
This time is different, though. This time they said they will not freely cede power. I think you will find it makes a big differnce.
Yeah, it signals to every both sider that they were right all along, and all the people they’ve been prosthelytizing to might actually start believing them.
If you want to be on the side of democracy, you don’t just decide to stop being democratic unless you’ve given up.
You’re not going to solve anything by playing by their rules, you’re only going to galvanize them. They are the party of “government doesn’t work”, doing this just gives them more ammo.
The government doesn’t work if one side can break the law and walk away scott free and if the other side does the same exact thing they have consequences. What’s there left to argue at that point?
I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say.
Are you saying the Democrats, after called trump’s use of fake electors a threat to democracy, should try that failed tactic?
And are you saying this for 2024? After the Dems lost the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and Congress, Dems should try to install Kamala as the 2024 winner?
Or that they should do that in 2028, regardless of the outcome or only if Republicana don’t cede power or?
I’m saying they should do the exact same thing trump did and will face no consequences for and see how the Republicans respond in turn.
The problem is that the democrats are playing the game called “democracy.” The Republicans stopped following the rules of the game because they don’t want to play it anymore. If the Democrats do what the Republicans do, then the game is no longer be played. You can’t really give up on democracy and then bring it back. It rarely ever works that way.
If you cede the ground of democratic norms, rules, and policies just to win, you ultimately lose because you no longer have a democracy. In many respects, getting the Democrats to start doing the same thing is precisely what the Republicans want. Because that means they can finish burying democracy, and they’re better positioned to win the game called “fascism.”
Yeah, but as this election showed, people cant be trusted. Theres no need to try and preserve our “democracy” because our democracy led to this. Instead, democrats just need to take over via any means neccassary.
Sounds like a brilliant plan. “They’re being fascist so we have to be fascist!” has worked so well in history.
You effectively said, “I didn’t do anything to change anyone’s mind, and neither did the party that I support through the bare minimum of voting once every four years, so since the majority of people in this country don’t agree with me, I think I want to play fascism instead of democracy too! Except I’m the good kind of fascist! I just don’t think the majority of voters should get their way, that’s all.”
Hard eye roll on that one.
The board is set. The dems can pretend democracy as usual but it will all be fruitless. Now is the time to peel back any remaining facade of the america we once knew and go toe to toe with the fascist take over. The longer we wait the deeper they will burrow into the heart of this nations government and one morning you’ll just wake up living in a fascist regime.
You can’t beat fascism with fascism. It doesn’t work that way.
You want them to simultaneously seem like hypocrites AND idiots?
To what end? Funsies?
They would be exposing the hypocrites. They already look look like fucking morons for losing to trump, again, so not much to salvage there. Tell me any American could not miss the message when democrats stop the confirmation, roll out their own fake electors, and confirm kamala herself. Hell, have biden make it an official act because why not? Any person to object to it could not be totally lost on them this is exactly what Trump attempted to do and will not be punished for it.
Now, anyone knows this plan will fall flat. That’s not how these things work. It would just stir the pot so brilliantly it might actually get the little brain cell they are guarding to light up.
Exposing hypocrites never brings any real gain, only an opportunity to get upset.
Now please don’t get me wrong: getting upset might be worth it for many, many people. Getting upset is one of the highest valued things in our time.
Lol, no.
The world doesn’t work like this.
Who would get fired up who wasn’t already on side? Independents or those on the fence would just note that the Democrats were pulling the same nonsense they just spent four years crying fascism about. Right wingers would just see confirmation that the rules don’t matter. On the Left, the adults among us would see this as a stupid, hypocritical temper tantrum with no possibility of success and a further erosion of democratic norms.
This would be super unhelpful.