Disappointed that NPR didn’t elaborate more on how Huffman truly fucked over Christian Selig.
It’s a small group that’s very upset, and there’s no way around that… Huffman said 97% of Reddit users do not use any third-party apps to browse the site. He said “the vast majority” of moderators also do not rely on third-party apps.
But also…
“But the opportunity cost of not having those users on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant,”
So it’s a teeny tiny group. Basically insignificant. But it’s also such a large group that we can’t possibly NOT try and monetize them 🤡.
Right? The corporate double-speak just makes Huffman look like a moron.
After what he’s said about Apollo and it’s dev, I don’t trust a work out of his mouth. If it wasn’t a big deal he wouldnt be so vocal about it.
Huffman characterized the Reddit protesters as a small but vocal cadre of angry users who are not in touch with the greater Reddit community.
Yes! Yes!! YES!!! GASLIGHT ME HARDER, DADDY!
Ah, this is what an “adult company” means.
Yeah, only naughty people would associate it with porn. /s
who are not in touch with the greater Reddit community.
Reddit Inc?
“Reddit represents one of the largest data sets of just human beings talking about interesting things,” Huffman said. “We are not in the business of giving that away for free.”
He believes he owns our voice. I’m just beyond disgusted.
That’s why I’m deleting my account and taking my thousands of posts with me. I will create a new account to lurk in a couple of subs I like until there’s enough traffic here or elsewhere. I’m almost tempted to go into some of the more active forums and start posting ChatGPT generated garbage that seems superficially meaningful or relevant to start fucking with their idea to train AIs on Reddit posts.
Not a bad idea. I would love to do that, but a lot of my posts are to promote myself as an artist so, my plan is to promote my fediverse presence with my art if I ever do post again
Human beings talk about interesting things on Reddit. ‘We are not in the business of giving that away for free’
“But we are in the business of reselling the content that those human beings provide, without compensating them at all, or even considering any of their complaints about how we manage the site they speak on.”
Fuck this guy seven new assholes.
And, of course, there are the unpaid moderators. He doesn’t seem concerned at all that they’re “giving it away for free”. The experienced power-mods are the ones in the position to put a serious hurting on spez, and I hope they take the opportunity to do so.
They won’t. They’re drunk on imagined power and will do whatever the platform asks to keep it.
Yeah, I think the power trip of moderating some subreddit with millions of members is very seductive. Sadly, it seems very seductive to exactly the people I would not want moderating, but I’m sure ousting conscientious moderators for puppet dictators will alleviate this situation in the future of Reddit.
Right? RIGHT?!
That line stuck out at me. It’s bizarrely out of touch. What does Reddit actually produce itself? A shit-tier website (new) and an even shittier-tier app? Everything of value on the site was made by volunteers.
I guess this is the danger of being openly helpful on the internet. At any time your generosity could be snatched and monetized without even so much as a “fuck you, thank me”
Been reading Noam Chomsky, and the theme of democratic movements being quelled, one might say mysteriously, is a common global theme. Reddit was that social democracy for a time.
No, it wasn’t.
It is, and has always been, a feudal monarchy, if you want to define it’s political structure.
You and I are the peasants, above us are the moderators acting on behalf of the local Lord Subreddit Owner, which serve at the whim of The Monarchs of the corporation, with His Majesty the CEO only being rained in sliiiiightly by the clerics of the venture capital Church.
Please elaborate on how you see this in any way as a social democracy.
FUCK HIM.
Adults don’t lie to developers (the API will never go away! Our pricing will be reasonable! You’ll have years to make changes!), accuse indie developers of blackmail (holy shit!), and ignore millions of users and mods asking for answers (14 questions on my AMA and then I’m out!).
The gaslighting was my line in the sand. That’s not how you do business.
And he had the gall to call it “leaking a private conversation” after that. Lol
Kinda sucks that whenever major news outlets cover a social media company, they only interview the people who own the company and nobody else involved. Like here, maybe it would’ve made sense to interview a mod or someone. The way major news outlets frame it, social media outlets are theme parks and the only people who work to make it function are the owners. Most users see them more as pseduo-government leaders, and when you think about it like that it makes a lot of sense to interview the people on the ground like they do in non-tech related news pieces.
The Verge has been doing especially good with this. They’ve been communicating directly with third party app developers for their side of the story, especially when spez decides to blatantly lie about something, as he’s been frequently doing lately. They even have links on their articles for where reddit employees can send any internal emails and memos they want to leak, lol.
please NEVER interview mods lol unless you want some new cringe entertainment like with the antiwork mod
An “adult company” wouldn’t have their CEO go on an extemporaneous personal attack against a third party developer in the middle of a Q&A.
“It’s time to enshitify.”
The one admirable thing about reddit leadership is how transparent they have been about the enshittification of their product. Usually companies will do some perfunctory song and dance about how great the changes are and how much users will love them. Reddit has been pretty clear that the changes will negatively effect users and that they are doing it for the money.
Says pedobear u/spez
Wasn’t he a mod of /r/jailbait?
Yeah, but that was when you could make someone else mod and they didn’t have to accept. One of the mods did that to him. Once he learned about he, he left the position and they pushed out a change shortly where you had to accept the mod position. People did it to troll others, specifically like that.
No mistake, no love lost on him, but he was a mod as a joke, and he removed himself when he was aware of it
I believe this, either way there’s enough other questionable content around Spez to criticize him, like how he said they wouldn’t remove Coronavirus misinformation despite all the largest subs wanting it removed, much like the current blackout.
Dude is such a snake, god damn I hope he fucking loses this battle and crawls back to the hole he came from
I don’t even care what happens to spez or reddit any more. I came to the fediverse out of spite, but I stayed for the amazing community. Spez can do what he likes, this is my home now.
This dude is such a fucking joke. All he wants is good little sheep who click on ads and buys their NFTs. Can’t wait till this crap blows up in his face.
“it’s time to grow up and be an adult company” he says, logging on to the site that’s mostly memes, anime, and pictures of people’s genitals.
Sure, they’re going to be an adult company now and turn all of those memes, anime and genital pics into sweet sweet ad money, just like a real megacorp!
I just wish I didn’t spend 10 years of my life on there. Thank goodness I mostly lurked
Most “grown up” companies don’t alienate a vast amount of their consumers. Greedy little dickholes have no problem fucking their userbase for a quick monetary boost. Spez is just a bitch who can see a payday, he is a shit founder who only pretends to be a CEO, fuck him and Reddit as a whole.
We weren’t their consumers. We were their product.
App creators weren’t their consumers, either.
Advertisers are their consumers.
I mean, the very notion of “grown up” companies is a lie. Reading the article on the Instant Brands bankruptcy…
“Instant Brands was purchased by private equity firm Cornell Capital in 2017. While some of its products, such as Pyrex and CorningWare are long established brands — Pyrex is 108 years old, and CorningWare is 65 — Instant Pot was only launched in 2010. The company said that at least one of its products can be found in 90% of US homes”
Yet, they’re filing for bankruptcy because some brainiac “disruptor” CEO is an idiot but other rich idiots gave him millions of dollars to turn it into a garbage fire.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/business/instant-brands-bankruptcy/index.html
can someone buy back the PYREX brand to ensure they only distribute boroscilate glass?
I appreciate this
Please! To stay relevant as a company, that’s all they had to do. It’s the definition of the “You only had one job” meme.
Huffman characterized the Reddit protesters as a small but vocal cadre of angry users who are not in touch with the greater Reddit community.
Although I guess people on here don’t want to hear this, he’s right on that one. Price to pay with the normiefication of reddit. No more community. Only consumers.
Yeah I’ve been saying this all week, Reddit won’t die here. But the product is different to what it used to be, and we all needed a push to go looking for that special thing that it used to be. Let the normies have their memes and clickbait who the fuck cares
Yes, but reddit is unique in the social media companies in that Twitter (pre-Elon) and facebook at least had to pay a shit ton of money to get people to moderate.
It’s basically “no one cares as long as the trains run on time.” In the extreme, I would bet that it’s single-digits of TikTok users that actually make content. Reddit is probably not even that far from that. This move, let’s piss off our unpaid moderators and the users that make all of our content, is going to effect even the normies.
Also a lot of the normies use those 3rd party apps that are going to cease to exist on June 30 and are not going to be happy with Reddit’s “official” substitute. For a lot of people the app is Reddit.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure that’s true. Have you looked at the numbers in the app stores?
The official reddit app on the google play store has over 100 million downloads.
RIF has only 5 million downloads. Boost, Sync, and Baconreader are all sitting around 1 million downloads each.
It looks like about 90% of mobile users are on the official app and won’t notice any change.The ‘normies’ don’t go beyond searching for the word “reddit” and installing the first thing that pops up.
I suppose if it’s truly that low then his claims of third-party apps allowing “free” browsing hurting their bottom line isn’t true. Honestly, they could have worked with third-party developers and forced them to implement ads in a non-subscription tier while allowing the API to operate with minimal cost to the developer. But they went into this “negotiation” in bad faith because they never wanted to continue allowing third-party apps anyway. They wanted to kill them entirely. The problem is Reddit is scarce on offering mod tools and incorporating a lot of features people could get in other apps. Hell, the few things they have added over the years are garbage. The video player is pure trash. They implemented photo hosting because they wanted to undercut imgur which just adds to their own server and bandwidth cost. And in the end they rely entirely on users to deliver content.
Also, his claims are probably off where he says 97% do not use a third-party app to browse the site. I’d say that’s because the vast majority are browsing on a PC. Anything he says can’t be trusted anyway because he’s been caught lying. The truth is you are the product, and the real money is in selling your data to third parties.
Yep, spez is a greedy pig boy and this whole thing reeks of him being personally offended that any portion of the userbase can use apps where reddit can’t squeeze quite as much value out of them. A deal could easily be worked out to appease all parties if reddit was willing to be even slightly less greedy, but corpos gonna corpo I guess.
Agreed on the 97% thing. I think that’s reddit counting pc browsing in with mobile just to make the number using third party apps seem even smaller than it actually is. Which is ridiculous since the actual number isn’t that much different. Going by the downloads on google play they still have something like 90% of the mobile users on official.
And in the end they rely entirely on users to deliver content.
Isn’t it amazing how he’s so insistent on how unfair it is that third party apps are profiting off of someone else’s content when that’s essentially reddit’s business model?
Honestly Reddit is one of the few things where I wouldn’t have minded paying a $5-$7 monthly subscription. When looking at how much hours and how much entertainment I got there, it’s a better value proposition than half the streaming services I subscribe to.
