Its insane how much shit .ml and .world users fling at eachother. Ml is filled with smug historical revisionist authoritarians and Russia bootlicking other empire supporting “anti-imperalists”, meanwhile .world is filled with genocide apologizing western imperialists and neoliberal bootlickers for the capitalist class. Genuenly im not sure which is worse but they’re both obnoxious and unbearable, imperialism is imperialism regardless of the empire.
The ML mod in a game community telling a user that they wanted to shoot them, then doubled down on that, then tripled down still further with “I hope you die soon” points to systemic issues (such issues are widespread and well-known, as well as the entire-instance perma-bans routinely dished out by the admins themselves; you can directly read the mods own words for this particular event here).
LW mods have some issues as well, but e.g. recently the one responsible for this latest string of short 24-hr bans has already apologized within hours of the occurrence, in another comment citing a potential misunderstanding of the extent to which she was asked by admins to have done so and acknowledging her own biases that lead to that (event).
They are nowhere close to being the same. Definitely in degree at least if not entirely in kind.
No idea, but even if so, a single mod (?) vs. an entire instance admin team are again nowhere near the same, for people who care about more than just that one singular issue.
Moreover, and again even if so, a nuanced take on a supremely complicated issue would again be nowhere close to a DIRECT statement about wanting to be the one who ACTUALLY kills the person (“I want to shoot you because…”), ending with “I hope you die soon”, seems again to be nowhere close to the same degree.
People are people and nobody’s perfect, but this kinda of both-sides-ism does not sit well with me. That’s not how we fix things irl, by being hasty with diagnoses and then going off half-cocked without a proper understanding of what needs to be done in order to achieve the desired end goal.
Then again, neither of us have much skin in this game, both being on different instances so looking in at that fight from the outside:-). Except it’s easy to just instance block Lemmy.World communities and never have to interact with those admins or mods anymore, while it is extraordinarily difficult to defederate from the non-admin, non-mod regular users of ML spewing toxicity into communities located not on their home instance. That irks me, bc I wish for my consent to have mattered, but it takes enormous efforts to constantly block the trolls one by one.
From what ive heard its several .world admins, yeah obviously telling a person to die sucks but imo it seems worse to say an entire people deserves to die. Also I didnt say “both sides” I explained why both sides suck for unique reasons.
I guess I was reacting to “Genuenly im not sure which is worse”, but yeah you explained why. ML has both admins (+mods) and also users spewing toxicity while for Lemmy.World it’s mostly just admins (+mods) that people complain about, but not the users, beyond what might be expected from any large instance filled to the brim with Reddit refugees.:-)
But anyway it’s good to join communities and especially to post to those outside of Lemmy.World for other reasons as well, chiefly that it’s not taking full advantage of the concept of federation if everything is all concentrated onto just one instance.
And all of this drama is a perfect example as to why that matters: people wouldn’t care so much what one mod did (I am not even subscribed to that community in the first place, in fact I blocked it long ago) or one set of admins if similar communities were distributed elsewhere all around the Fediverse. Federation is supposed to bring freedom, but that comes only if we decide to make use of it.
Its insane how much shit .ml and .world users fling at eachother. Ml is filled with smug historical revisionist authoritarians and Russia bootlicking other empire supporting “anti-imperalists”, meanwhile .world is filled with genocide apologizing western imperialists and neoliberal bootlickers for the capitalist class. Genuenly im not sure which is worse but they’re both obnoxious and unbearable, imperialism is imperialism regardless of the empire.
The ML mod in a game community telling a user that they wanted to shoot them, then doubled down on that, then tripled down still further with “I hope you die soon” points to systemic issues (such issues are widespread and well-known, as well as the entire-instance perma-bans routinely dished out by the admins themselves; you can directly read the mods own words for this particular event here).
LW mods have some issues as well, but e.g. recently the one responsible for this latest string of short 24-hr bans has already apologized within hours of the occurrence, in another comment citing a potential misunderstanding of the extent to which she was asked by admins to have done so and acknowledging her own biases that lead to that (event).
They are nowhere close to being the same. Definitely in degree at least if not entirely in kind.
Didn’t a .world mod literally defend the genocide in Palestine?
No idea, but even if so, a single mod (?) vs. an entire instance admin team are again nowhere near the same, for people who care about more than just that one singular issue.
Moreover, and again even if so, a nuanced take on a supremely complicated issue would again be nowhere close to a DIRECT statement about wanting to be the one who ACTUALLY kills the person (“I want to shoot you because…”), ending with “I hope you die soon”, seems again to be nowhere close to the same degree.
People are people and nobody’s perfect, but this kinda of both-sides-ism does not sit well with me. That’s not how we fix things irl, by being hasty with diagnoses and then going off half-cocked without a proper understanding of what needs to be done in order to achieve the desired end goal.
Then again, neither of us have much skin in this game, both being on different instances so looking in at that fight from the outside:-). Except it’s easy to just instance block Lemmy.World communities and never have to interact with those admins or mods anymore, while it is extraordinarily difficult to defederate from the non-admin, non-mod regular users of ML spewing toxicity into communities located not on their home instance. That irks me, bc I wish for my consent to have mattered, but it takes enormous efforts to constantly block the trolls one by one.
From what ive heard its several .world admins, yeah obviously telling a person to die sucks but imo it seems worse to say an entire people deserves to die. Also I didnt say “both sides” I explained why both sides suck for unique reasons.
I guess I was reacting to “Genuenly im not sure which is worse”, but yeah you explained why. ML has both admins (+mods) and also users spewing toxicity while for Lemmy.World it’s mostly just admins (+mods) that people complain about, but not the users, beyond what might be expected from any large instance filled to the brim with Reddit refugees.:-)
But anyway it’s good to join communities and especially to post to those outside of Lemmy.World for other reasons as well, chiefly that it’s not taking full advantage of the concept of federation if everything is all concentrated onto just one instance.
And all of this drama is a perfect example as to why that matters: people wouldn’t care so much what one mod did (I am not even subscribed to that community in the first place, in fact I blocked it long ago) or one set of admins if similar communities were distributed elsewhere all around the Fediverse. Federation is supposed to bring freedom, but that comes only if we decide to make use of it.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
I am leaving the up votes and down votes along. We need to be perfectly even