• Infomatics90@lemmy.ca
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      fiscally that might be true kind of but socially in Canada that is far from true.

    • ghen@sh.itjust.works
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      Leftists are capitalists too, they just know that strong social safety nets are required to keep the ball in play instead of letting the billionaires take it home with them.

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              In the same manner that everything in humanity is labeled. If the group you’re labeling doesn’t agree with you then you’re creating a false stereotype

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                Social Democrats support Capitalism with Social Safety Nets. They oppose Socialism and support Capitalism, ergo they fall under the umbrella of Liberalism.

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                It isn’t stereotyping though. The political spectrum is built with a non existent center, or rather at the center one would not care who owns the means of production. Right of center is that the means of production shall be owned by private people/companies. Left of center is that the means of production are owned by the people as a conglomerate. Now anywhere you lay on that (because ideologies and beliefs don’t stick to a 2 dimensional spectrum) you can view people to the right of you and people to the left. But by definition, the democrat party in the U.S. firmly believes the means of production is owned by private citizens/companies. Thus a farmer can buy 1600 acres and farm it as they will. Leftists by definition believe the means of production shouldn’t be owned by individuals or companies as they do not have the good of the people at heart, and will often choose their own self gain over the gain of others.

                So people can yell “The Democrats are Marxists” and it immediately sells them out as not knowing what they are taking about, because the very root of what makes Marxism, isnt accepted by Democrats.

                Where parties land varies all around the world, but the means of production is the stagnant center point. (Assuming you can get people to agree what makes up those means of production haha)

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                  I put the center between the believable extremes. Utopian communism and anarchy just don’t work, so putting them on the political spectrum is disingenuous at best until it does work. Until we have Star Trek replicators or something to fight against scarcity and/or artificial scarcity.

                  So with that in mind, avoiding pure idealism, left of center would still include a hobbled capitalism.

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                Every worst group ever has come up with a bullshit label about how democratic and socialist they were.

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        Leftists are capitalists too,

        Not all leftists are capitalists. That’s absurd. Socialism is a left-wing ideology.

      • مهما طال الليل@lemm.ee
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        No, you are clearly not a leftist. Everyone should get a ball, or at least be communally shared. If we seize the means of ball production we can **** CEOs without worrying about going ball-less.

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          And here you see a microcosm of the problem. “Leftists” range from “we have to destroy the system and everyone in it damn the consequences” to “I just want the government to provide reasonable services”. (but no, only I am the true left)

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            we have to destroy the system and everyone in it damn the consequences

            Literally nobody defends anything like this. Destroying the system is the tool to liberating everyone inside it and to give them better lives, what moves leftism is a desire to rise the human living conditions

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          Leftists exist between liberal and communist.

          And since communism can’t work with our current understanding of humanity leftist is about as left as you can get

          In my analogy everybody does get a ball because that’s the social safety net necessary for gameplay. Not everybody gets a fancy hat with a neat feather though