Eh… it’s hubris to equate America with democracy. Democracy will do just fine, just perhaps not here. Not being pedantic, I just think it’s time to start thinking like a global citizen. This place may be truly lost for a time, but the world spins on. Perhaps we’ll be the cautionary tale for the next generation.
and whether we like it or not, China or India are bound to take its place. It was years ago now that a meme went around that said “The average human is a Chinese man with a cell phone and no bank account” alluding to the significance of their staggering population. India outpaced China in population since then.
Like it or not our time as a global economic, political and cultural powerhouse is quickly coming to a close.
It is, but uhhhh, unfortunately the US is looking pretty toast, looks like it’s about to start fucking with Europe for Russia, and China is already clearly making plans to follow Russia’s lead and re-take what they consider to be their territories, simply because they know Trump will let it happen.
With Europe literally having to cope with managing the US becoming an antagonist along with Russia, I’m not really sure we have a choice in the matter my friend.
Oh, you’re entirely right. My initial reply was going to be “The sooner the better?” but then I stopped to reflect on what would fill that power vacuum.
With any luck, my kids will see a better world before they die. I know I won’t.
I would wager the OP meant American democracy. Not global democracy. But you’re right that we Americans should speak as if there are other people out there other than us.
Perhaps we’ll be the cautionary tale for the next generation.
I’m at this point in my life where I feel like it doesn’t really matter what happens to me personally. But, I do have two children, and I am sad for them at the thought of what kind of world they’ll be inheriting. They genuinely deserve better than what they seem to be getting.
I don’t think they’re equating the USA with democracy. I think it’s pretty clear that they’re impliedly saying “democracy [in the United States] ends in a week”. Nobody is questioning the health of European, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, South American, Australian, or Kiwi democracy—yet.
Wasnt Korea’s impeached president just arrested a few hours ago? Didnt Brazil just indict their former president just a couple months ago? Both for attempting to topple their own democracies? Didnt anyone notice that France was on the verge of electing a neonazi a few years ago, or that Germany might actually do that next month? If you arnt questioning the health of global democracy it just means you havent looked.
Of course I’ve looked. But everywhere I do, I see democracy coming out of the ring victorious. Bloodied and bruised, yes, but not beaten. Only in the US has the fascist won absolute control while the legal system has utterly failed to hold him accountable for his crimes in any meaningful manner.
Except Hungary, Turkey, India, Myanmar, Philippines, Thailand, Venezuela, Hong Kong, El Salvador, and I dont even try to keep track of whats going on Africa anymore.
The world will go on, but democracy wont do just fine. Once they are done with the US they’ll push harder than ever to do the same to the EU, and they’ve already come damn close in both France and Germany. Its just a matter of time until one of them slips. And worse, without the US leading the “free world” theres a huge power vacuum/imbalance that will almost certainly have to be resolved violently, either with a spate of serious regional wars or another big global brawl.
Eh… it’s hubris to equate America with democracy. Democracy will do just fine, just perhaps not here. Not being pedantic, I just think it’s time to start thinking like a global citizen. This place may be truly lost for a time, but the world spins on. Perhaps we’ll be the cautionary tale for the next generation.
Like it or not, the US is a global economic, political, and cultural powerhouse. What happens here bleeds over to everywhere.
Yep. We’ll grow more broligarchs here to spread fascism elsewhere. Just look at Elon.
This is why we should not have billionaires in this country. Full stop.
lmao broligarchs is a new one to me and its fucking gold
This. We’re seeing the same trend in many places.
and whether we like it or not, China or India are bound to take its place. It was years ago now that a meme went around that said “The average human is a Chinese man with a cell phone and no bank account” alluding to the significance of their staggering population. India outpaced China in population since then.
Like it or not our time as a global economic, political and cultural powerhouse is quickly coming to a close.
I kind of feel like India and/or China taking up that mantle is out of the frying pan, into the fire.
It is, but uhhhh, unfortunately the US is looking pretty toast, looks like it’s about to start fucking with Europe for Russia, and China is already clearly making plans to follow Russia’s lead and re-take what they consider to be their territories, simply because they know Trump will let it happen.
With Europe literally having to cope with managing the US becoming an antagonist along with Russia, I’m not really sure we have a choice in the matter my friend.
Oh, you’re entirely right. My initial reply was going to be “The sooner the better?” but then I stopped to reflect on what would fill that power vacuum.
With any luck, my kids will see a better world before they die. I know I won’t.
I would wager the OP meant American democracy. Not global democracy. But you’re right that we Americans should speak as if there are other people out there other than us.
I’m at this point in my life where I feel like it doesn’t really matter what happens to me personally. But, I do have two children, and I am sad for them at the thought of what kind of world they’ll be inheriting. They genuinely deserve better than what they seem to be getting.
I don’t think they’re equating the USA with democracy. I think it’s pretty clear that they’re impliedly saying “democracy [in the United States] ends in a week”. Nobody is questioning the health of European, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, South American, Australian, or Kiwi democracy—yet.
Wasnt Korea’s impeached president just arrested a few hours ago? Didnt Brazil just indict their former president just a couple months ago? Both for attempting to topple their own democracies? Didnt anyone notice that France was on the verge of electing a neonazi a few years ago, or that Germany might actually do that next month? If you arnt questioning the health of global democracy it just means you havent looked.
Of course I’ve looked. But everywhere I do, I see democracy coming out of the ring victorious. Bloodied and bruised, yes, but not beaten. Only in the US has the fascist won absolute control while the legal system has utterly failed to hold him accountable for his crimes in any meaningful manner.
Except Hungary, Turkey, India, Myanmar, Philippines, Thailand, Venezuela, Hong Kong, El Salvador, and I dont even try to keep track of whats going on Africa anymore.
The world will go on, but democracy wont do just fine. Once they are done with the US they’ll push harder than ever to do the same to the EU, and they’ve already come damn close in both France and Germany. Its just a matter of time until one of them slips. And worse, without the US leading the “free world” theres a huge power vacuum/imbalance that will almost certainly have to be resolved violently, either with a spate of serious regional wars or another big global brawl.