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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don’t care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal “Chinese spy,” while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
“This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren’t controlled by the same few oligarchs,” Quintin said. “People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks.”
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If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.
Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.
“I’m protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart.”
Yes, as there is nothing China can do to me.
At least not until they use their influence operations to elect a pro-China president.
…every president until 2016 was pro China, because the owners of the US government were pro China until China improved too much and started competing instead of just being a source of cheap labor.
And who cares if a pro China president is elected? Oh no we’ll have cheap food, universal healthcare and no homelessness. How awful.
" . . . giving Rednote access to their data as a show of protest . . ."
That’s a special kind of stupid.
I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ’ I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?’ and she uninstalled.
Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that’s what they’re looking for.
Okay, well I have impulses to go and get drunk, do hard drugs, and attempt to sleep with random women. None of those things are close to a good idea for me.
Just because you feel drawn to something or a type of thing does not make it healthy or a good idea for that person. Taking desires and expressing them in a healthy way is important, desires dont just disappear.
Somewhere deep in the CCP…
Senior Operative: “What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?”
Junior Operative: “I’m beginning to think this well is dry.”
“They love to virtue signal apparently, not sure how that helps us takeover their country though.”
I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise
Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.
Xitter* (x pronounced sh style)
Platforms that work and are easy to use*
others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
idk, pixelfed is doing great.
Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that’s just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)
People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.
If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.
It’s engineered for a niche, and it’s perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.
No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.
Reddit got quite successfull over the years.
I think the potential audience for lemmy is huge, just that people havent gotten the same marketing hype/trend like you pointed out.
Reddit userbase absolutely skyrocketed when Obama (then president) did an AMA. The site was never quite the same after that
Where were people’s protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?
Everyone assumed that they wouldn’t be so stupid as to ban an app used by 170,000,000 Americans.
Now they’ve proven that yes they are that stupid. That corrupt.
So nah. Not going back to any US based alternative. Ever. TT to Red Book. If they ban Red Book we’ll go to VK or Jaco or whatever Vietnam has going on.
Best part? It took all of about 2 hours to completely obliterate 60 years of CIA propaganda. We can see plain how much better they have it than we do. How much better life is there.
Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were “Devil’s on this earth for killing babies” which like…damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren’t beating the allegations.
So I’m sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn’t worry.
Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn’t know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it’s not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:
I know. I’m here and I don’t even know what they’re talking about, much less my friends. I suppose it’s Loop? But a quick search in app store brings up nothing
As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)
Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute
I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination
Sure, but people cannot cry about a service disappearing when disappearing resistant technology exists and just needs attention. Like, it’s being worked on, either help or get out of the way and quit complaining
I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.
Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.
Apparently convenience isn’t actually a barrier? I’m baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.
A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.
The apps aren’t great either, I’m very techy and haven’t found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)
Normies just aren’t going to push past all those barriers
show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problemLoops by Pixelfed
IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You’re not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.
In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.
It’s expensive for video though.
In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality “benign” TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don’t see how they’d pay for it.
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical
I give every dog I meet all the peanut butter it can eat no matter what every time whether or not the dog is mine
I think it’s probably marketing more than convenience
It’s marketing, but it’s also the value proposition. Average Joes don’t see the value in decentralization, privacy, or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime…
I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don’t think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don’t think it’s really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?
Ptime example:
