Every genocide except the uyghur genocide has images attributed to it
Self exercise, find me three images of an uyghur genocide taking place, I’m not asking just to be a smart ass but because I tried it myself and I got no result
Sorry, but who should prove that there is a ongoing genocide is who do that claim, requiring to prove the no existence of something is a fallacious argument.
This is unrelated to the topic, but that’s not how logic works. The burden of proof is upon the person(s) making the positive claim. So either you say,
“Yes, there is genocide” (positive claim)
“No, there is no genocide,” (positive claim)
“I don’t know/don’t believe you.” (neutral claim)
So anyone in this post saying there isn’t genocide has a burden of proof to show why they believe it’s not occurring, because they are making a positive claim. It is not a logical fallacy to prove an opposing claim, and difficulty proving it doesn’t absolve anyone of that responsibility.
Likewise, anyone saying there is genocide occurring should provide evidence for that claim. Typically, the person making the first positive claim has the initial responsibility.
LMAO did you even read your source‽ It’s right there in the summary
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for Human Rights and International Justice, wrote in a recent post on Just Security.
“For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,” she wrote. “Likewise, the deplorable living conditions of incarcerated Uyghurs may constitute genocide by ‘deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about [their] physical destruction’—the third form of genocide.”
@[email protected] you should have read their source, it doesn’t even back them up in any way LMFAO
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for Human Rights and International Justice, wrote in a recent post on Just Security.
“For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,” she wrote. “Likewise, the deplorable living conditions of incarcerated Uyghurs may constitute genocide by ‘deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about [their] physical destruction’—the third form of genocide.”
Yes, she’s trying to stretch their claims into persisting. Again, without evidence.
I understand reading is challenging for you, but you’re gonna have to actually read the whole article to get the context.
What’s actually happening is China is preventing the US from further radicalization of the Uyghurs to destabilize the region, and de-radicalizing those being rehabilitated. The US doesn’t like their terror cells being stopped.
Yep, for sure. More western countries should adopt the Chinese approach of “cultural assimilation” by locking up all our Muslim immigrants in “re-education” camps to unlearn Islam. They wouldn’t get any criticism for that right?
Don’t straw man me. I was simply pointing out how insane this would be if any Western country employed the same ‘assimilation’ methods that China is doing. I mean, arguably the US is doing something similar with the way they exploit their prison populations (minus the re-education part). But that’s also shameful. Just because the US does shameful things too doesn’t mean that China’s shameful things don’t matter or shouldn’t be talked about. These types of reprehensible State actions should all be scrutinized and opposed.
I agree with you, all authoritarian States suck ass, including the US. I post more critical stuff about the US than about any other country. Still that doesn’t give China a free pass. You can shove your “critical support” where the sun don’t shine if you are just simping for a different authoritarian State.
No free pass for China. But I’m not gonna tricked into another war. I want to see actual evidence. Not just western intelligence claims from the least trustworthy people on the planet.
Well that’s fair enough. If anyone believes the US has ever gone to war because of human rights violations then they are pure fantasists. Is the US using these claims as a pretext for drumming up anti-China sentiment? Sure, I think that’s likely.
The US doesn’t give two shits about human rights abuses when they or their allies are involved. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the claims are false. It’s just that the Americans have selective blindness when it comes to recognizing genocide.
But I don’t think the US really wants a war with China. They just want to keep them at bay for another 10 years until the Chinese economy implodes. The Chinese are facing a demographic cliff due to the long term effect of the one child policy, and even after the policy was lifted the birth rate was/is still very low. But I’d be happy to be proved wrong if China can figure out how deal with a shrinking economy and population decline without deteriorating living conditions for their people. We’re all going to have to face up to shrinking economies and shrinking populations eventually.
I don’t think you understand the issue. None of the sources claiming genocide have any evidence or investigation to prove it. They’re all referencing the same debunked intelligence sources.
We have been lied into every single foreign conflict over the past 80 years, and y’all still haven’t learned a damn thing. Just falling for the same people telling the same lies over and over again.
And yours comes from the State Dept, direct from the government that also funds the CIA that you are dismissing in my source.
And since the State Dept seems to be your standard of authority, how do you explain that the State Dept affirmed (again) in April 2024 that yes, it’s genocide?
Yes, and my source shows them trying to claim genocide, despite the lack of evidence of such. The point is that they would make the case for genocide if they could, but they can’t.
The facts show there’s no genocide, even when it’s a government agency that desperately wishes there was.
So we can trust only the lawyers from the State Dept from 2021, but not from 2023, not other departments, and not multiple reputable independent news sources that say otherwise, because you don’t like the facts? Got it.
oh well i will expect a source for this lie any minute… go ahead
Every genocide except the uyghur genocide has images attributed to it
Self exercise, find me three images of an uyghur genocide taking place, I’m not asking just to be a smart ass but because I tried it myself and I got no result
It’s funny how you racists never need any sources for the original claim lmao
yeah, criticism of the PRC is not racism… it’s the opposite, i don’t want their human rights to be violatd… but nice try, agent
Sorry, but who should prove that there is a ongoing genocide is who do that claim, requiring to prove the no existence of something is a fallacious argument.
This is unrelated to the topic, but that’s not how logic works. The burden of proof is upon the person(s) making the positive claim. So either you say,
So anyone in this post saying there isn’t genocide has a burden of proof to show why they believe it’s not occurring, because they are making a positive claim. It is not a logical fallacy to prove an opposing claim, and difficulty proving it doesn’t absolve anyone of that responsibility.
Likewise, anyone saying there is genocide occurring should provide evidence for that claim. Typically, the person making the first positive claim has the initial responsibility.
Happy to oblige.
https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-concluded-insufficient-evidence-to-prove-genocide-in-china/
Now where’s your source? What do you think you know that the state dept doesn’t? Why are you keeping it from them?
LMAO did you even read your source‽ It’s right there in the summary
@[email protected] you should have read their source, it doesn’t even back them up in any way LMFAO
typical sea lion tactic… just drop a link that looks like it could be a source, then pretend like it is, hoping most people won’t read it….
it is hilarious though.
just copying his “source” before he deletes it
Yes, you should read beyond the summary. They’re trying to spin it in the summary, pushing the narrative while admitting they made it up.
From your article:
But evidence that it is carrying out other forms of genocide abounds, Beth Van Schaack, a visiting professor at Stanford Law School’s Center for Human Rights and International Justice, wrote in a recent post on Just Security.
“For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,” she wrote. “Likewise, the deplorable living conditions of incarcerated Uyghurs may constitute genocide by ‘deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about [their] physical destruction’—the third form of genocide.”
Yes, she’s trying to stretch their claims into persisting. Again, without evidence.
I understand reading is challenging for you, but you’re gonna have to actually read the whole article to get the context.
What’s actually happening is China is preventing the US from further radicalization of the Uyghurs to destabilize the region, and de-radicalizing those being rehabilitated. The US doesn’t like their terror cells being stopped.
https://x.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1380170110736855041?mx=2
Yep, for sure. More western countries should adopt the Chinese approach of “cultural assimilation” by locking up all our Muslim immigrants in “re-education” camps to unlearn Islam. They wouldn’t get any criticism for that right?
Wahabism isn’t native. It’s literally being imported by Saudi Arabia, and is actively trying to destroy Uighur culture.
‘Muslim’ is not a monoculture and it is ironic that someone worried about cultural genocide believes it is.
Don’t straw man me. I was simply pointing out how insane this would be if any Western country employed the same ‘assimilation’ methods that China is doing. I mean, arguably the US is doing something similar with the way they exploit their prison populations (minus the re-education part). But that’s also shameful. Just because the US does shameful things too doesn’t mean that China’s shameful things don’t matter or shouldn’t be talked about. These types of reprehensible State actions should all be scrutinized and opposed.
Are they being forced to convert?
Dude, it’s gonna blow your mind when you hear about Guantanamo Bay.
I agree with you, all authoritarian States suck ass, including the US. I post more critical stuff about the US than about any other country. Still that doesn’t give China a free pass. You can shove your “critical support” where the sun don’t shine if you are just simping for a different authoritarian State.
No free pass for China. But I’m not gonna tricked into another war. I want to see actual evidence. Not just western intelligence claims from the least trustworthy people on the planet.
Well that’s fair enough. If anyone believes the US has ever gone to war because of human rights violations then they are pure fantasists. Is the US using these claims as a pretext for drumming up anti-China sentiment? Sure, I think that’s likely.
The US doesn’t give two shits about human rights abuses when they or their allies are involved. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the claims are false. It’s just that the Americans have selective blindness when it comes to recognizing genocide.
But I don’t think the US really wants a war with China. They just want to keep them at bay for another 10 years until the Chinese economy implodes. The Chinese are facing a demographic cliff due to the long term effect of the one child policy, and even after the policy was lifted the birth rate was/is still very low. But I’d be happy to be proved wrong if China can figure out how deal with a shrinking economy and population decline without deteriorating living conditions for their people. We’re all going to have to face up to shrinking economies and shrinking populations eventually.
i mean a source that backs up the claims you made, sea lion
Sealioning? By providing you the source? Do you expect me to read it to you?
your own source contradicts you, sea lion
I don’t think you know what sealioning is.
Not OP, but here’s a source that refutes yours, and it was published later.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
That’s based on a report generated by a DC think tank funded by US intelligence- the same folks who fabricated this from the beginning.
Ofc, classic tankie behavior, only your sources are right and everything else is propaganda of some flavor
I don’t think you understand the issue. None of the sources claiming genocide have any evidence or investigation to prove it. They’re all referencing the same debunked intelligence sources.
We have been lied into every single foreign conflict over the past 80 years, and y’all still haven’t learned a damn thing. Just falling for the same people telling the same lies over and over again.
And yours comes from the State Dept, direct from the government that also funds the CIA that you are dismissing in my source.
And since the State Dept seems to be your standard of authority, how do you explain that the State Dept affirmed (again) in April 2024 that yes, it’s genocide?
https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-says-genocide-xinjiang-is-ongoing-report-ahead-china-visit-2024-04-22/
The report referenced in that article: https://www.state.gov/reports/2023-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/ (it’s literally the first paragraph that says it’s genocide)
The facts aren’t on your side, friend. It’s genocide.
Yes, and my source shows them trying to claim genocide, despite the lack of evidence of such. The point is that they would make the case for genocide if they could, but they can’t.
The facts show there’s no genocide, even when it’s a government agency that desperately wishes there was.
So we can trust only the lawyers from the State Dept from 2021, but not from 2023, not other departments, and not multiple reputable independent news sources that say otherwise, because you don’t like the facts? Got it.
Also, it’s not just the US State Dept saying it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59595952
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/23/un-member-countries-condemn-chinas-crimes-against-humanity
Just go read, man. Sometimes we’re wrong, but refusing to accept the facts is what religious fundies and cult followers do.
Even right wing news sources are agreeing: https://www.newsweek.com/xi-china-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang-1871161
It’s genocide. What do we gain by denying it?