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  • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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    15 hours ago

    Seriously. I want a world where everyone can have the basics of subsistence without qualifications. UBI is one way to do it, but even direct provision is fine.

    Universal healthcare is an obvious one, but for as wealthy as developed countries are, providing basic food and shelter shouldn’t be that difficult either. For food and shelter, I think we should just offer anyone that wants it the basics of life.

    Every county should have a government depot in it that you can go and get a certain quantity of basic staples per month. Rice, beans, flour, that kind of thing. It need not be fancy or the best food on Earth, but enough of what people need to keep them alive. And you keep the demand for the service reasonable not by putting in place applications and qualifications, but simply by personal preference. Not many millionaires are going to go down to the depot every month and get their government-issued bag of rice, even if they could if they wanted.

    Same thing with housing. There should be state-run dorms or boarding houses in every city in the country. Need a place to stay? Go down to the city dorm. I would build them just like college dorms - small shared rooms with bunk beds and communal cooking/bathing facilities. And anyone, from the richest to the poorest, can stay there if they need to. If Bezos wants to go live in the government dorm, he can. You keep demand for it low, and the cost of providing it reasonable, through personal choice. Most people don’t actually want to live their whole life in a dorm room. Keep things clean. Keep them sanitary. But keep them simple and utilitarian.

    Even within existing capitalist societies, we can provide for the basics of life for everyone. And instead of putting strict requirements, you open the programs up to all. You keep the demand for the services low by focusing on utilitarian versions of the benefits you provide. Anyone down on their luck can stay in the government dorm if they want, but very few people actually want to unless they really need to.

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      12 hours ago

      Not many millionaire are going to go down to the depot every month and get their government-issued bag of rice, even if they could if they wanted.

      No but you can guarantee every millionaire and every temporarily embarrassed millionaire will be complaining that they shouldn’t have to pay taxes to contribute to that because they don’t use it. Just like they do with public housing, public schools, public health care etc.

      You public housing concept is a little terrifying, I think it wouldnt be a big step from there to just provide people with a space that is dedicated to them rather than having to share with strangers. The benefits to conflict mitigation would far outweigh the additional cost.

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        7 hours ago

        Oh dear lord in heaven, I’ve apparently become a Dickensian villain…Did I just recreate the poor houses? Oh dear. Yeah, maybe separate rooms are better. There’s spartan, and then there’s “we built a prison.”

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          6 hours ago

          Yeah I think it mostly works in colleges because people want to be there. Even then people sometimes get lumped in with some pretty horrific roommates.