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I was briefly into 40k in the 00s, but once the 2010s started I slowly started getting an ick feeling from it but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it.
specifically, I was still cool with most of the lore, but the Imperium fanboys were getting to be unfun to be around. As I got older and wised up, I figured out around the same time many others did, that these same people just had a fascism fetish in general.
so with all that said.
Death to the false emperor Let the galaxy burn BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
It’s quite simple really.
If they play the Death Korps of Krieg, who look like
they’re probably really nice people.I need that diagram.
If you ask someone if they are Nazis, and their answer is to get confused and ask about the premise of the question, there is about a 90% chance they are Nazis. Non-Nazis will say, “What? No, definitely not.”
If you ask someone who isn’t a Nazi if they’re a Nazi out of nowhere then confusion seems pretty valid. If there’s a premise to it that they understand (by being Nazis or acting like ones) you’d get less genuine confusion.
If the context is 40k, definitely not an unexpected question.
Hellsing Abridged on the topic.
Is there something about the tabletop portion of the community I don’t get? I just like the lore of the universe and if someone asked me if I was a nazi based on that I would be very confused.
Think about it this way, if you joined WWII reenactment, you’ll mostly come across guys that have a general interest in WWII and will play the role of most factions (including Germany if needed). But you will also run into guys who are enthusiastically on the German side 90% and less happy playing anything else. That second guy is most likely a Nazi but tries to maintain plausible deniability
I too am confused about the correlation since I’ve never run into nazis playing 40k. Though to be fair I run slaaneshi chaos so I don’t think I’m in their demo of black templars.
Warhammer 40k lore is on the level of racism and genetic determinism that resonates with nazibrain.
Every faction is a caricature and parody of some ideological concept where every member is obligated to live and die exactly as they’re supposed to.
Right, in that context it wouldn’t be.
Meh depends on the setting. My partner and I are organizing smaller concerts from time to time. If we are about to book an unknown band sooner or later we have to ask the Nazi question.
The setting here feels similar.
Of course setting, their actions and whatnot matter. It isn’t out of nowhere if there’s some context for it that the recipient also understands.
In 40k where the Imperium are outright fascists, the context is already there
Yeah but even if there’s some initial confusion, most normal people will get to a clear negative answer pretty quickly.
That’s true. But I’d definitely also want to know what prompted the question
If you know anything about 40K, the prompt should be self-evident
it’s a warhammer 40k group.
There’s a 50/50 chance they’re neonazis. (ask if they ever play as Imperium… that’s a solid way to find out.)
Same with Fallout fans who are oddly obsessed with The Brotherhood of Steel.
I wrote a brotherhood pin in high school. But that was before fallout 3 was released when the brotherhood were essentially militaristic hermits. I loved fallout when it was essentially an anarchist propaganda piece that satirized all power structures as eventually toxic in rebuilding the apocalypse. The only good guys were the followers of the apocalypse who were strictly anarchist.
The brotherhood were portrayed as ineffectual and the enclave were essentially the brotherhood if it became less isolationist. Both were obviously satirizing American political ideologies. Fallout 3 decided to throw all that out and make the brotherhood interventionist, meaning the theme was a fight between good America world police with the brotherhood and bad America world police with the enclave. A suitable post 9/11 liberal who lives in Bethesda’s view of the world, but largely uncritical to power structures. You got to vote for the “lesser of two evils” in that game, but that fact was presented uncritically and not satirized at all.
Enclave is probably more accurate
Caesar’s Legion is the most accurate
We were talking generally
I would also accept “did you just call me a fucking nazi?”
This is the answer right here.
GI Robot: “Oh boy…”
Always amazing when people don’t get satire.
My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.
The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.
So, I have read and been told this many times before. Some times I will rewatch the movie to try and see that narrative. And I’ll admit, I’m and idiot. But I can’t get past the idea of: Bugs are just icky, no matter the size. Remove at all costs.
Except they aren’t bugs in your home, they’re isolated to their own planet already.
Plus, consider the justification for the attack;
“the bugs attacked Earth first”
REALLY?
Consider the amount of maths and physics knowledge for us to get to our own moon. We have to calculate the trajectory of our own moon, the spin of the Earth, gravity, etc.
Now, in the movie, apparently the bugs bombed Earth.
FUCKING HOW. They exist outside our solar system. The level of maths for this is impossible without computers.
Not only have you got all the complications we had for a celestial body which was closest to us, but our sun has its own orbit within the milky way.
The narrative that the bugs attacked Earth first was a false flag. It was almost certainly just a meteor which couldn’t be stopped, which gave someone a reason to keep the perpetual motion machine of Fascism alive.
Without a common enemy, Fascism turns inwards.
Lol alright, so earlier in the movie, Carmen is learning to fly the spaceship and has an accident where the run into the asteroid, which changes its trajectory and sends it to Earth, where it hits Buenos Aires. Carmen caused the whole thing 🤣
It’s very likely that the Earth military lobbed it toward earth as a pretext for war. The big planet was light years away (across the galaxy? I forget) and there was propaganda extolling the orbital defenses of Earth right before the hit. They had an orbital ring station around the Moon! No way they could miss a rock that big.
The film is so on the nose, that in the end they come out with actual nazi uniforms and child soldiers and people still didn’t get it.
Well, the book is… The movie tho, yeah Paul Verhoeven has opinions about fascists. 😂
His commentary on that film is truly one of the better commentary tracks I’ve ever listened to.
How?
That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head
Because the dad read the book, and hasn’t seen the movie.
The book definitely is pro-military.
Actually, it was the movie lol.
So did The Boys and Helldiver’s 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it’s not as funny anymore.
Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.
Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.
I stopped watching after season 2 because I couldn’t stand the lack of subtlety - despite loving the original comic which is… not subtle at all.
Maybe if they paid more attention in English (and history) class, they wouldn’t miss subtext the size of a tractor trailer running into them. But conservatives and STEM bros almost always seem to be on the same page with that shit “No one needs English classes, it’s always just like ‘hur the curtains are blue’ bro.”
Science here - a lot of my fellow scientists like the humanities and definitely are not missing the point. At least in the pure sciences, we tend to encourage all education, regardless of field.
Just be aware that STEM encompasses way more people than you’re specifically referring to
They see the part that gives them a confirmation bias and willfully ignore the rest of the message.
As the saying goes: Spread the facts on the floor like a fan, and throw away the ones that make you feel bad.
I’d like to know more.
In all seriousness though, I thought it had some aspects of good, which was odd given that it’s satirical commentary on fascism. For instance, gender didn’t really matter and women were promoted, and while the shower scene was meant to show how fascism castrates the masses (or something like that, iirc), I thought it was a relatively wholesome scene, all things considered.
Potentially some leakage from Heinlein’s later works?
A brick to the head…
Good idea.
Put it in a sock first.
I already filled the sock with quarters.
I like the noise when it hits.
I like to use bars of soap personally.
I prefer cans of soup for my family
It’s amazing the number of people who do.
It’s got Neil Patrick Harris in it how on Earth can it possibly be pro military?
The book was
I know the book was but this sort of people who think that starship troopers is profascism, are also a sort of people that will definitely not be well read.
I can interpret something as pro facist without being a facist. They are not mutually exclusive things
So, uh, where’s the diagram?
but obviously a diagram doesn’t help the willingly blind ;-)
but curious to see the slides too.
If you know what the Imperium is about, it isn’t surprising for neo-nazis to play out their fantasies that way.
this is an edit on an older green text, but the premise was gym, based, and cringe.
Makes sense. It is an oft discussed trend though. There are large unmoderated 40k FB groups they are very focused on anti trans activism and Trump worship, and smaller GB groups that are, worse.
There are also plenty of fine groups, or at least groups that put miniature photos firsts.
YouTube is similarly split between creepy Black Templar afficionados and channels more like my recent fav Shining Nathan
40k Brunch Gossip Episode 1 #warhammer40k
But you didn’t hear it from me.
40k is a pretty shit game to begin with, the painting and maybe the lore is the best part. Everything else, including collecting at those ridiculous prices is a joke.
With how much of it felt like pure dice luck when I was interested, it ended up seeming like you’d be financially better off if you were gambling in a more direct way while also discussing lore for fun. At least you’d have a chance of coming out ahead.
The good groups are the ones who are very interested in fantasy Nazis ironically.
If I play the theo-fascists then my total incompetence at strategy makes them look bad
If strapping tank treads to a church isn’t peak military competence, I don’t know what is.
A railgun the size of the Eiffel Tower strapped to mech. Can’t get more competent than that.
As long as the slugs are slowly loaded manually by a bunch of servitors.
Haha dead Nazis
