This “All or nothing” bullshit helped put that asshole back in office, and it needs to stop.
Harris got shit on because there was always MORE she could have done. Simply not being a rapist felon should have been more than enough to win that election, but we kept nit picking about everything on our wish list that she couldn’t do, and helped convince the country that she wasn’t good enough for us, and now look where we are. We got NOTHING on our wishlist and are likely to lose a lot of what we had before.
A full blown anti-theist candidate would scare too many people. They would be even easier to vilify than Biden or Harris. We need to take little steps in the right direction, not just sit and watch democracy fall apart because the only person who could have stopped it “didn’t threaten to bomb Israel enough” or “never mentioned changing what gets printed on the money”.
Like a child that throws a tantrum about not being able to get two desserts, so they get nothing at all.
Honestly, we’ve had the “little steps in the right direction” off and on for eight decades now. Look where it’s gotten us.
When was the last time a powerful politician gave a damn about the poor rather than going on about the “middle class”?
Where have all our Unions gone?
Has the federal government ever done anything even approaching the scale of change needed to address Climate Change?
What’s happened to our infrastructure?
Where has our freedom gone? Has it taken peace with it when it left?
We’ve already lost everything that could be said for the United States being good, setting aside any claims of greatness entirely, and have lost almost everything that would qualify it as decent. The politicians have realized they can get the votes of some of the people who want change by branding themselves incrementalists and then putting indefinitely many increments between what we have now and meaningful change.
Contrast with history. When has incrementalism ever worked for us? We got the New Deal from one President who knew how to lead. He didn’t give us a 1/2*Xth measure of making the American economy work for the workers. No, he got as much as possible then died wanting to do more.
Democrats assumed that those small little *incremental *steps that the party wanted them to take was going to lead to more progressive left leaning country. Turned out those small, unnoticeable, little baby steps marched to the right. The fact that the party has gone from people like Jimmy Carter to the likes of people that deny Holocaust is evidence that incrementalism marches to the right
Yeah, the sadistic ratchet-effect of American politics. D Party moves nanometers in the right direction, R Party moves kilometers in the wrong direction, D Party moves nanometers from the new center, repeat until… well this shite.
I won’t disagree with really any of that, and I’m not completely against the idea of total revolution, but revolution requires people.
In November, 30% of people didn’t bother to vote at all, and another third voted for fascism.
How bad will it have to get before people care?
How much worse than THAT, will it take to get MAGA to realize they fucked up?
At that point you might have enough people to actually do something, but also the restrictions on freedom will have gotten stronger, and there will be strong measures in place to prevent dissent.
It may be inevitable, but I don’t want to live in that country. And if I can hold it off long enough that my children don’t have to live in it, maybe they can turn things around. I see a lot of potential in these kids. They can do a lot of good once the Boomers die off.
Let’s slow the bleeding as much as possible before going straight to amputation.
I appreciate that you’ve got some hope for our rotted out system. I don’t. The only hope for the future I see is a present in flames.
That being said, while I don’t think there’s any hope of reform the point I was making was that incrementalism has brought us tRump while bold action, not even revolution, almost a century ago staved off fascism for this long. If I’m mistaken and reform is possible I find it wholly inconceivable that it would be brought by the incrementalists, rather it would come by some stroke of luck that someone like Sanders… probably a bit harsher than him would attain high office and force positive change like FDR did.
I don’t think anyone wants the conditions of a revolution or the immediate aftermath thereof but it is a question of how bad would that be in the short-term verses how bad will it be in perpetuity, barring revolution at some later date. As is I couldn’t morally justify bringing kids into this apocalyptic hellscape.
The people of Vietnam rebelled against their French overlords with effectively nothing but their chains to begin with and then fought off a superpower to keep their independence. The people of Cuba deposed a fascist tyrant from similar destitution. It’s not easy but it’s entirely possible no matter how totalitarian the state is.
Don’t leave out the part where that force positive change that was created **under **FDR was actually forced positive change that was created by his socialist Secretary of Labor, Francis Perkins. When left to act on his own FDR did things like lock Japanese people up.
As usual, it was socialists that created the change needed for the working class
I agree entirely. It’s impressive the act of deception that produced a nation so anti-socialist while looking at it’s own history it’s been the socialist who’ve done the most for the people.
Democrats always pave the way for regressive legislation. The cops that are about to be weaponized to assist with ICE were militarized by Biden and cop cities. Democrat ratchet effect keeps helping shift the entire country to the right. Instead of fighting the systems of exploitation and oppression, liberals will only fight the manufactured villains without challenging the entire system. Trump is the manifestation of 50 years of refusing to hold politicians accountable
That statement right there implies that you are probably one of the 30% of Americans that could have stopped Trump just by voting for the next best feasible option.
Don’t get me wrong, that was me the first time he ran, I was similarly disillusioned when I felt like Hillary cheated Bernie. So, those first four years. Those were on me.
I hope you enjoy all the “progress” these next four bring, because those are on YOU.
And you would be 100% wrong. Trump is 100% the fault of people that would never hold their own politicians accountable. They allowed them and their entire party to keep shifting further to the right by accepting small doses of ‘lesser evil’ an evil that grew so large they were not able to contain it any longer. They thought that the proper route to go was incrementalism which resulted in small little baby steps to the right. The entire party has shifted from people like Jimmy Carter to people that deny that there’s genocide going on in Gaza.
One of the biggest faults of liberals is that they only fight the symptoms of the corrupted system. They refused to challenge the system itself because they benefit so much from it.
And until you actually get that revolution started, sitting around and talking about it while blaming EVERYONE ELSE, is just as helpful as the people watching Fox News every day.
Again, I get it. And I support your revolution, but until you’re ready and willing to actually start it, you should support mine.
Liberals do not have a revolution, complacency and conformity to the status quo is not revolution. Realizing that Democrats are not our allies is the beginning of that revolution
And continuing to repeat the same failures year after year after year is not a very compelling argument to support you
You could have voted for Harris, and convinced other people that it didn’t matter how bad she was, because the other option, and there were ONLY 2 choices lets not kid ourselves, is trump and thats worse in ALL possible ways
You could have done everything to stop Trump, and also still start your revolution under Harris. Nothing stopping you from voting for the objectively better choice while continuing to figure out how to construct the world you believe in. The enemy of your worst enemy IS a better choice than the worst choice
He doesn’t have to bulldoze it, Biden already paved the way.
Over like 50 years of politics he never showed away from saying “god” drove him and he follows Catholic teachings…
It’s almost definitely why he did absolutely nothing to protect abortion rights.
When’s the last time you heard a Dem talk about removing “god” from our money? Or any other part of our government?
If you don’t look religious, you won’t get elected.
This “All or nothing” bullshit helped put that asshole back in office, and it needs to stop.
Harris got shit on because there was always MORE she could have done. Simply not being a rapist felon should have been more than enough to win that election, but we kept nit picking about everything on our wish list that she couldn’t do, and helped convince the country that she wasn’t good enough for us, and now look where we are. We got NOTHING on our wishlist and are likely to lose a lot of what we had before.
A full blown anti-theist candidate would scare too many people. They would be even easier to vilify than Biden or Harris. We need to take little steps in the right direction, not just sit and watch democracy fall apart because the only person who could have stopped it “didn’t threaten to bomb Israel enough” or “never mentioned changing what gets printed on the money”.
Like a child that throws a tantrum about not being able to get two desserts, so they get nothing at all.
Honestly, we’ve had the “little steps in the right direction” off and on for eight decades now. Look where it’s gotten us.
We’ve already lost everything that could be said for the United States being good, setting aside any claims of greatness entirely, and have lost almost everything that would qualify it as decent. The politicians have realized they can get the votes of some of the people who want change by branding themselves incrementalists and then putting indefinitely many increments between what we have now and meaningful change.
Contrast with history. When has incrementalism ever worked for us? We got the New Deal from one President who knew how to lead. He didn’t give us a 1/2*Xth measure of making the American economy work for the workers. No, he got as much as possible then died wanting to do more.
Democrats assumed that those small little *incremental *steps that the party wanted them to take was going to lead to more progressive left leaning country. Turned out those small, unnoticeable, little baby steps marched to the right. The fact that the party has gone from people like Jimmy Carter to the likes of people that deny Holocaust is evidence that incrementalism marches to the right
Yeah, the sadistic ratchet-effect of American politics. D Party moves nanometers in the right direction, R Party moves kilometers in the wrong direction, D Party moves nanometers from the new center, repeat until… well this shite.
I won’t disagree with really any of that, and I’m not completely against the idea of total revolution, but revolution requires people.
In November, 30% of people didn’t bother to vote at all, and another third voted for fascism.
How bad will it have to get before people care?
How much worse than THAT, will it take to get MAGA to realize they fucked up?
At that point you might have enough people to actually do something, but also the restrictions on freedom will have gotten stronger, and there will be strong measures in place to prevent dissent.
It may be inevitable, but I don’t want to live in that country. And if I can hold it off long enough that my children don’t have to live in it, maybe they can turn things around. I see a lot of potential in these kids. They can do a lot of good once the Boomers die off.
Let’s slow the bleeding as much as possible before going straight to amputation.
I appreciate that you’ve got some hope for our rotted out system. I don’t. The only hope for the future I see is a present in flames.
That being said, while I don’t think there’s any hope of reform the point I was making was that incrementalism has brought us tRump while bold action, not even revolution, almost a century ago staved off fascism for this long. If I’m mistaken and reform is possible I find it wholly inconceivable that it would be brought by the incrementalists, rather it would come by some stroke of luck that someone like Sanders… probably a bit harsher than him would attain high office and force positive change like FDR did.
I don’t think anyone wants the conditions of a revolution or the immediate aftermath thereof but it is a question of how bad would that be in the short-term verses how bad will it be in perpetuity, barring revolution at some later date. As is I couldn’t morally justify bringing kids into this apocalyptic hellscape.
The people of Vietnam rebelled against their French overlords with effectively nothing but their chains to begin with and then fought off a superpower to keep their independence. The people of Cuba deposed a fascist tyrant from similar destitution. It’s not easy but it’s entirely possible no matter how totalitarian the state is.
Don’t leave out the part where that force positive change that was created **under **FDR was actually forced positive change that was created by his socialist Secretary of Labor, Francis Perkins. When left to act on his own FDR did things like lock Japanese people up.
As usual, it was socialists that created the change needed for the working class
I agree entirely. It’s impressive the act of deception that produced a nation so anti-socialist while looking at it’s own history it’s been the socialist who’ve done the most for the people.
Yeah… I liked his God stuff. I thought it made the party more relatable. Have any Dem presidents not mentioned being Christian ever?
I don’t think so. They’d be too afraid of being labeled a heretic. The most common position seems to be “I’m religious, but not THAT religious.”
Dude, this been going for decades. But it’s all Biden’s fault, of course! How did I not see that?
Trump is responsible for his own actions. Not Biden. Not the Dems. Trump. But keep crying, it’ll change reality! For you, at least…
Wrong everyone knows time started in 2021 when Joe Biden got sworn in
/s
In the beginning there was biden?
Is it Cherry season?
Democrats always pave the way for regressive legislation. The cops that are about to be weaponized to assist with ICE were militarized by Biden and cop cities. Democrat ratchet effect keeps helping shift the entire country to the right. Instead of fighting the systems of exploitation and oppression, liberals will only fight the manufactured villains without challenging the entire system. Trump is the manifestation of 50 years of refusing to hold politicians accountable
You better go fix it then.
I did my part by refusing to support the right wing duopoly
That statement right there implies that you are probably one of the 30% of Americans that could have stopped Trump just by voting for the next best feasible option.
Don’t get me wrong, that was me the first time he ran, I was similarly disillusioned when I felt like Hillary cheated Bernie. So, those first four years. Those were on me.
I hope you enjoy all the “progress” these next four bring, because those are on YOU.
And you would be 100% wrong. Trump is 100% the fault of people that would never hold their own politicians accountable. They allowed them and their entire party to keep shifting further to the right by accepting small doses of ‘lesser evil’ an evil that grew so large they were not able to contain it any longer. They thought that the proper route to go was incrementalism which resulted in small little baby steps to the right. The entire party has shifted from people like Jimmy Carter to people that deny that there’s genocide going on in Gaza.
One of the biggest faults of liberals is that they only fight the symptoms of the corrupted system. They refused to challenge the system itself because they benefit so much from it.
And until you actually get that revolution started, sitting around and talking about it while blaming EVERYONE ELSE, is just as helpful as the people watching Fox News every day.
Again, I get it. And I support your revolution, but until you’re ready and willing to actually start it, you should support mine.
Liberals do not have a revolution, complacency and conformity to the status quo is not revolution. Realizing that Democrats are not our allies is the beginning of that revolution
And continuing to repeat the same failures year after year after year is not a very compelling argument to support you
You could have voted for Harris, and convinced other people that it didn’t matter how bad she was, because the other option, and there were ONLY 2 choices lets not kid ourselves, is trump and thats worse in ALL possible ways
You could have done everything to stop Trump, and also still start your revolution under Harris. Nothing stopping you from voting for the objectively better choice while continuing to figure out how to construct the world you believe in. The enemy of your worst enemy IS a better choice than the worst choice
Like I said, it’s all just big talk until you fucking DO SOMETHING. Talk to me when you get started.