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Fresh out of federal prison, former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio suggests he’s still in charge as the far-right organization looks to regroup.
Fresh out of federal prison, former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio suggests he’s still in charge as the far-right organization looks to regroup.
Ha yes, well, I’m sure Hitler could have found something for 3+mil rabid followers to do, but they were just too big of a risk. Not just to him, but other Nazi leaders also thought Röhm had too much power. It was impossible to easily turn them into a well-functioning army, especially since there was already bad blood there. And with Himmler and Göring whispering in his ear, Hitler was never going to let the SA keep their power.
The SS, though, grew more and more. Not only were they Hitler’s personal bodyguard, but they also had the Einsatzgruppen (death squads), the Gestapo and they were the ones who built all the concentration camps. Himmler and Göring had a lot of power too, obviously, but the SS was never seen as a bunch of thugs. More disciplined. Could work as an actual army. There was a class-element there as well. While the SA was mostly uneducated working class people, the SS were middle and upper class. More prestigious, I guess you could say.
Imagine there are 10 million proud boys, terrorizing the U.S., and their leaders expect the U.S. military to join them? How would that work out? You can’t really piss them off because then you’d have millions of thugs turning against you, but you also know you can’t possibly make the army work with them - and even if you could force them to, would you want to? A bunch of undisciplined thugs wouldn’t function as an actual army. What would Trump have to do to solve this situation? Hitler chose the purge… wonder what Trump would do.
I think Trump pardoned those 1500+ Jan 6. people specifically because of this. They’ll give him undying loyalty now and they know he can pardon them anyway, so they’d probably do whatever he wants. Though I’m not sure if he would literally give them orders. They’ll probably just do stuff they think he wants them to do, or things they want to do that they know Trump won’t mind. His own personal brownshirts. Or should I say black&goldshirts. I doubt they know he doesn’t actually care about them and will inevitably stab them in the back.
About the military… I don’t know, honestly. Didn’t he say he wanted to get rid of the woke generals, or whatever? Is it possible for him to purge the military like that?
A lot of that is exactly what I was saying.
Yeah that’s what I saying. Hitler needed the real military because he was going to war with the Allies. Hitler knew he was going to war. You can’t do that 1) with a bunch of thugs, and 2) you can’t do that if thugs are in charge of the military. So when Hitler got real control and the undying loyalty of the military, he disbanded the thugs.
Trump likely won’t get undying loyalty of the military, not the way Hitler did. So Trump will keep his thugs around.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Trump wants thugs around. He may not be able to give them direct orders, but he knows they will generally go the direction he wants. They will generally beat up antifa and black lives matter protesters and intimidate people. And Trump can say “won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest” if he really wants.
He’s already done that with Fauci, and pulled his Secret Service detail.
All the high-ranking Nazis thought that about all their peers. Hitler had other issues with Röhm: he was a founder of the NSDAP, he was socialist, and he drew his support from the working class. There was also the gay thing: Hitler and Röhm were once inseparable, Röhm was the only senior Nazi to call Hitler by his given name and call him “du” in public, and there were rumors that Hitler and Röhm had been a couple during the early streetfighting days. Now that Hitler was aligning with the military and the industrialists, be was seeking whatever a Nazi’s idea of bourgeois respectability might be. So no more SA.
Hmm, I see a pattern. It’s almost as if the rich and/or those in power don’t care about the working class, except to use them to reach their nefarious goals.