Welcome, new industry heads. That’s how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That’s what they’ve been doing for decades now.
I’m kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little “tricks” built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.
Would it be better to get your primary from a reputable house and your backup from a discount, or better to get your primary from a discount and your backup from a reputable house?
Forgot that they are only able to do so because the Western capitalists have been trying to snuff out domestic organized labor and thus dumping huge sums of money into Chinese production for half a century.
I guess, but very often private innovation builds upon a bunch of fundamental research funded by the tax payer. Then the private sector patents it, and brings it to market, overcharges and earns billions. Tough luck if China gets better at this game.
If it was just pure copying the best you could hope for is that you match the performance of your competitor. To exceed their performance genuine investment must be made.
The commercial drones from DJI are the best in the industry. But also making something that’s almost as performant but for a fraction of the cost requires real innovation as well.
DeepSeek’s training model was innovative. They used multiple large specialized models to train a very small general model. This is a real practical innovation over OpenAI’s one behemoth general purpose model.
Solar panels. Huawei had some very good 5g tech before the US sanctioned them (great performance competitive price). Electric cars from various brands like BYD and, a very good case can be made about deepseek r1 (same performance as o1 but using an order of magnitude less power/cost).
Can’t comment on deepseek but Huawei and BYD certainly are inferior to other products in their industries. Probably not for long, but it’s still a happenstance I believe.
Welcome, new industry heads. That’s how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That’s what they’ve been doing for decades now.
That’s par for the course, but it’s hilarious that openai “we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you” is pulling that defense now.
Yep.
I’m kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little “tricks” built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.
Ah the Burger King model
looks at all my non-critical electronics…
enshitification smells like Chineseium
That said, I like cheap non-critical crap
I bought my parachute from AliExpress and my reserve chute from Temu.
Would it be better to get your primary from a reputable house and your backup from a discount, or better to get your primary from a discount and your backup from a reputable house?
You rarely use the reserve so I buy the cheapest one I can.
good to know! thanks!
No problem.
With zero investment in innovation. They just wait and steal the work. Easy to undercut American companies when you have no R&D costs.
Forgot that they are only able to do so because the Western capitalists have been trying to snuff out domestic organized labor and thus dumping huge sums of money into Chinese production for half a century.
Yeah. The crying by CEOs during this obviously inevitable “and find out” phase is beyond ludicrous.
I guess, but very often private innovation builds upon a bunch of fundamental research funded by the tax payer. Then the private sector patents it, and brings it to market, overcharges and earns billions. Tough luck if China gets better at this game.
If it was just pure copying the best you could hope for is that you match the performance of your competitor. To exceed their performance genuine investment must be made.
Name a Chinese company that produces a product that’s best in the world.
There’s probably some lasers/tech etc but nothing consumer, I would guess.
The commercial drones from DJI are the best in the industry. But also making something that’s almost as performant but for a fraction of the cost requires real innovation as well.
DeepSeek’s training model was innovative. They used multiple large specialized models to train a very small general model. This is a real practical innovation over OpenAI’s one behemoth general purpose model.
True, DJI is a top competitor if not the best drones. Good point
Solar panels. Huawei had some very good 5g tech before the US sanctioned them (great performance competitive price). Electric cars from various brands like BYD and, a very good case can be made about deepseek r1 (same performance as o1 but using an order of magnitude less power/cost).
Can’t comment on deepseek but Huawei and BYD certainly are inferior to other products in their industries. Probably not for long, but it’s still a happenstance I believe.
Ah yes that’s why America worked super hard to ban them both right.
What are you on a about. They produce almost everything you own.
They produce other people’s products, I’m talking Chinese designed, produced etc vehicle, phone, TV, plane, whatever
FoxConn makes iPhones, for one.