• Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.socialEnglish
      49·
      1 year ago

      They hate that argument - likely because they’re well-aware on some level.

      By continuing to prop up a given candidate not for their actual policies and skills but instead simply because they’re our party / they’re not other party, they’ve enabled mediocrity and incompetence for many cycles now - and we’re seeing the predictable results of that strategy.

      This is the brain on partisanship.

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.netEnglish
      42·
      1 year ago

      Vote blue? Vote for the party that has actively funded the furthest right-wing fringes of the Republican Party? Yeah that seems like a great way to save our Democracy™, I’m such a hecking good person uwu

    • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      23·
      1 year ago

      Counterpoint: By voting for Biden you are casting a vote of approval empowering conservativism in the US because Biden is a conservative

    • RaincoatsGeorgeEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      There’s basically no other argument. Trump is deranged. The other republican candidates are just varying degrees of comic book villain mixed with blinding level of incompetence. There are other democratic candidates that are plenty capable but it’s too risky to fuck the vote up and Biden has done nothing but function appropriately and with a level head. No more and no less than any other president. If you’re about to message me with your ‘long list of grievances’ just know that I don’t give a shit about your personal opinions, only what history will say.

      For me I’d like lots of fucking things to be different but I’m a realist. We have a functioning government that’s not fucking stupid and making complex decisions on behalf of the people of this nation. We won’t all like the answers, and it’s not to assume that all of their decisions are correct or morally right, but compared to trump and the republican party, it’s orders of magnitude more functional and trustworthy.

      There is no debate. You can’t ‘well acktually’ your way out of it. There’s just a simple question of whether you would prefer there be a democracy here or if you just want to give into fascist authoritarianism.

      Again I’m not concerned about what those who disagree have to say. This is what history will say. It’s painfully obvious. If you can’t put two and two together, congratulations, you’re just another stupid person in a sea of idiots.

  • ViscountMochiEnglish
    27·
    1 year ago

    I voted for Biden last time but if he’s the guy again in ‘24 I’m going to vote for a 3rd party candidate. It won’t matter where I live since the state will go blue but I hope it sends a message that ppl are (I am) getting tired of the D’s bs

    • coeliacmccarthy [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      40·
      1 year ago

      whenever this happens the message libs claim to take from it is “if the berniebro tankies refuse to vote for us that means we need to move farther right”

      before every election they have it loaded up and ready to go

      • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        39·
        1 year ago

        The funny part is that even if the Bernie bro left comes out and votes for their candidate, then their excuse is “the Bernie bro left already will vote for us, so we need to move further right”.

        Basically no matter what the left does, the center will use it as an excuse to move right

        • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          33·
          1 year ago

          They would never acknowledge that Sanders supporters actually supported their side. More Sanders voters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama, yet they and third party voters are blamed for Trump - despite Clinton getting millions more votes - as if we are a cabal that controls the electoral college

    • Jeremy [Iowa]@midwest.socialEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      There’s a little irony in that the only way to break the partisan deadlock - which has shifted from anything voters give a shit about to the parties’ own favorite stances and issues - is to introduce a third party wild card.

  • SHD_Agent@lemm.eeEnglish
    26·
    1 year ago

    No one is measuring Biden by age and considering a 77 year old Donald Trump as an alternative. That’s fiction.

        • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          22·
          1 year ago

          I mean yes and no. Trump is a demon, but he’s lucid. When you consider how far right the American electorate is substance may matter less than delivery. Betting on the fundamental decency of the average American is probably a losing bet lol

          But maybe you’re right and I should be giving people more credit. Either way we lose, hence the title of the post.

            • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
              24·
              1 year ago

              The real question would be what the material difference is between a geriatric whose kneejeek responses are to do whatever the NatSec and neoliberal ghouls want, or the one that fights with them occasionally in the dumbest way possible.

              IMO, very little policy-wise.

              Trump was good for recruiting though. Libs absolutely went to sleep under Biden despite promises to “push him left” and there being almost no policy differences between them outside of Biden running a more effective imperialist state and cutting COVID benefits.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      yeah. instead what they’re doing is measuring biden by age and deciding that it really isn’t that important who wins so why bother voting? this may come as a shock, but in a democracy, it’s usually good to demonstrate that you’re receptive to the concerns of the voters.

  • GayTuckerCarlson [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    1 year ago

    Any “serious” politician who primaries Biden would probably win. Its going to be 2016 all over again where the entire party falls in line behind a terrible candidate because of party unity or some horseshit

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      1 year ago

      nah, the party structures are too ossified. 2016 was acrimonious, but it was theoretically an open seat. primarying an incumbent would be open treason, and the whole party would turn against them, even if they privately feel he’s the inferior choice. there’s no discipline when it comes to policy or setting an agenda, but there is when it’s about who gets a handjob and who gets slapped.