This is less a structured ‘professional’ essay and more just me unwinding by way of spitballing.

I hadn’t really made the connections at the time, but after getting back into battletech to a degree (I was an enthusiastic young sprog. then when the clans got front and center I bailed because I just plain HATED the clans.)

I had long known that Earthsiege was a result of dynamix basically having an engine but either failing to secure or failing to keep the rights to produce licensed battletech/mechwarrior content.

Then recently I went re-reading some of the Starsiege/Tribes lore documents and… the whole thing struck me wit ha case of deja vu concerning Battletech. Sure fine there isn’t Lostech as such, and there is no space-ATT/Comcast, but the whole thing feels very… inner sphere politics, with the Wilderzone/Tribes being perriphery states.

More to the point, given the timelines? It wouldn’t surprise me if the guys punching up the documents for the Tribes part of the lore were DEEPLY unhappy with how cartoonishly DUMB the battletech clans are from a societal perspective and went 'No. That’s stupid. These PEOPLE are stupid with their wholesale mockingly aping new age totamec animal nonsense and doing it BADLY… All to justify a society that basically only functions because the writer said fuck you I want to jack off to how awesome the space wolves are because even when they lose they actually win.

Meanwhile the Tribes documentation and lroe basically have the tribes ‘winning’ in skermish fighting and then mostly because the Empire is too busy fighting for its life, and the things that hit the tribes were a ‘here we need supplies, go … see what you can scrounge’ attack. I’m talking ‘these guys literally exist because the better equipped better organized force can’t be bothered’ rather than ‘these under equipped goons win because the narritive says so.’

And even then it isn’t a total ‘take that’ at Battletech Clans. There’s a sort of respect from the empire or at least those that have to share border space and attempts at taking the concept of power armor and going ‘hey maybe we can do something with that’ rather than ‘look how stupid they are.’

Then you have the firetruce. Aka Space Olympics. See this is the kind of thing that I love because it isn’t just martial wankery. It’s if your family had someone that did well, you are expected to know that story and be able to tell it WELL to keep that history alive. These aren’t all jacked up warrriors gene crafted for war. Theyre… people who largely want to do their own thing out in space and the guys in power armor are a very VANISHINGLY small percentage of the population.

I kinda wish actual books were written in the verse, because. Put bluntly. I find it more interesting than the clan wars, the word of blake, and the current il-clan era (where the f’ing clans, from space bumfuckistaan with overly streached supply lines… WON against the people and everything that outnumbers them about … oh… a thousand to one.)

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    6 days ago

    You know much more about the Lore than I do. Weren’t there more than two clans in the original Tribes? I could have sworn there were four, but when Ascend came along, there were just two. 🤷‍♂️

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      Originally it was the children of the phoenix, those who believed harubic was out there. Then the blood eagle as originally an imperial unit that had been tasked with going out into the diasporia to bring these wayward people to heel.

      As is often with fanatical groups ideological quibbles turned into schisms, which turned into spintering and the founding of new lans.

      I forget how star wolf and diamond sword come into play, but there is a LOT of blood eagle/dstar wolf bad blood over… a lot of things, but a noteable is that one side or another claims the other is responsible for using a bilogical weapon on a world. that utterly and completely destroyed the biosphere for centuries.

      That world was to be the site of the next fire truce when the bioderm attacked circa tribes 2

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          Thing is, and this is me putting a disclaimer up in big mile high burning letters.

          I am an idiot that when the ACTUAL lore people were doing all this wonderful stuff, was doing the stupid twerpy thing with ‘yaaay power armor is neeaaaat!’

          I only VAGUELY crowebared my head out of my ass later.