“They want us to spend money, and for what? For no message, no organization, no forward thinking. … The thing that’s clear to a lot of us is that the party never really learned its lesson in 2016. They worked off the same playbook and the same ineffective strategies and to what end?”

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    331·
    5 days ago

    Don’t worry, there’s still plenty of people who will take the time to tell us that somehow it’s still not the time and place to critique the Democrats. (And these days, tell us that we’re secretly supporting Putin/Trump if we do)

    I’ve been being told that every year for 25 fucking years. I guess never is the only good time to critique the Democratic party, huh? We just have to roll over and accept what party leaders want and fuck their constituents I guess.

    • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
      18·
      4 days ago

      They basically said in the article that they’re not going to change strategies, insinuating that donors are just “fatigued”, and will come around:

      Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons said donors will also gravitate back to the fold organically, when they see Trump increasingly hostile to progressive values. But for now, Simmons said, the donors are still grappling with the aftermath of an emotional and tumultuous campaign.

      “For a lot of Democrats, it’s like we had a heartbreak and one way to deal with heartbreak is to curl up on your couch and eat ice cream,” he said. “But one way that will help them get over the heartbreak is how infuriating the new guy is.”

      • elfpie@beehaw.org
        18·
        4 days ago

        Is it just me or does this really look like an extortion scam? “We’ll protect you if you give us money.” They don’t, obviously, because they need the threat to still be real.

        • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          17·
          4 days ago

          Oh it’s not just extortion, it’s abusive.

          “We know that Trump and their administration are abusive and will kill people, but that’s why you have to accept us as we are without us needing to change one iota, because we’re not quite as abusive.” That sounds like an abusive controlling partner to me. “If you don’t do things my way, I’ll let really bad things happen to you.”

        • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
          13·
          4 days ago

          Yes, absolutely, but to be fair I don’t think they understand that. I think that most of these neolib centrists truly think they are the bulwark against fascism, and that the second you use any other means of resistance than appealing to economic/business interests, you have somehow abandoned Capitalism morality.

          When money drives everything they do, this kind of exploitative relationship just looks to them like a social contract.

        • immutable@lemm.ee
          6·
          4 days ago

          At least in an extortion scam you get to keep your store from being burnt down by the mob.

          It’s an extortion scam coupled with a party that fucking refused to do anything.

          Vote for us or a women’s right to choose will be gone!!! Ok we voted for you, you want to do something… no you can’t just ask the lady living her life like a chapter of the handmaids tale to pinky swear… and the Supreme Court just got rid of it… and I have a text asking for $20 to fight like hell…

          Fuck the dems. They aren’t getting one red cent from me. Time for a new party that isnt crawling with consultants figuring out how best to milk donations

    • inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      4 days ago

      Oh but trump is worse!!! If you criticize the dems at all and call them controlled opposition and a fraudulent political party you’re a trump supporter!

      (If it’s not obvious, I fucking hate the democrat party and their blue MAGA vote blue no matter who base)

    • NuXCOM_90Percent
      7·
      4 days ago

      I am not aware of any meaningful number of people (other than DNC leadership) saying that this point. Hell, AOC et al have pretty regularly torn into the party and they ARE the party.

      What you might be confused by is people who said that last year when we were trying to get Kamala elected in the hopes of avoiding trump doing exactly what he said. And even then, it was mostly “I have a LOT of problems with the Democrats and there is going to be plenty of time to tear into them later. But right now, this is an existential threat and that takes priority”