An enraged Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) again lashed out at Senate Democrats over what she called Friday evening an “inexplicable abdication.”

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    Democrats are past cooked. I’m not sure it will.matter to primary these losers, I don’t think Dems will ever win a majority ever again.

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    The are owned. They are responsible to what happens now. They are not for the people, they are for themselves.

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      only if we’re going to get on that john brown timing we should go in with a better plan. not saying not to go in on that john brown timing. john brown and john g fee both did important things and i think they both were recuired to make forward progress and our current problem is we haven’t enough browns and we have too many fees

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    It’s frankly incredible just how devoted the US Democratic party is to losing. They’re so ridiculously ineffectual.

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    My YES vote is not an endorsement of this deeply flawed CR. My YES vote is [100 percent] about refusing to shut our government down. I refuse to punish working families and plunge millions of Americans into chaos. -Fedderman

    For fuck sake man, have you looked around? Shutting down everything and nerfing this tool’s ability to direct anyone to do anything would be less chaotic than it is right now.

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      fetterman was always a hack, i dont think he really cares about “working families” after his stroke.

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      You can’t blame him. He is brain damaged. That’s why he’s conservative. He’s the only DEI hire that should be removed.

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        alot of stroke often turn into a nutty right winger, or a nutty right winger christian. tila tequila, kevin sorbo, or had brain damage from other sources. i was watching a video of someone with schizophrenia and how he fell into the right wing/fundamentalism rabbit hole and said it was a very dangeorus mix.

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        I want her so bad as president, but I don’t know that misogynists would let it happen. I think there’s way more misogyny in this country that we expect.

        source: I’m a guy, and when they’re left to their own more than half the people I know are horrible to and about women.

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          It’s part of the class war that keeps us fighting amongst ourselves while the oligarch’s rob us blind

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            Well it certainly appears to be working

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          I’m a guy, and when they’re left to their own more than half the people I know are horrible to and about women.

          know better people.

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            I know lots and lots of people. The average is not good.

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      i prefer she stayed in the house and let others to run the senate, just to keep the seats safe. probably need to start running candidates in these DINOs districts.

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    They knew they were going to get crapped on for this. I’m glad she’s saying it, but Fetterman and Schumer don’t give a shit you can believe that, and I see no reason to think the rest of them do either.

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      fetterman is a no brainer in voting for it, but the others have same donors as the gop probably threatened them to pull funding thier livelyhood.

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    I’m waiting for the day that AOC is president and Lemmy starts painting her like Obama. Never good enough…

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        Content with saying everyone is terrible and not having any shade of difference. Content with saying everything is shameful… content that everything is genocide. Content that everything is just as bad as anything…

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          Content with saying everyone is terrible and not having any shade of difference.

          Content with so little difference. Content with a margin that never changes as centrists chase fascists to the right because they want to move right, with the pretext that they’ll gain republican voters by abandoning people they’ve always wanted to abandon.

          Content with second worst to fascism.

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            I can dig the shift and the discontent. It’s a trend that is not okay. But I do not see Obama as evidence of the wrong thing. You do what you can and when you more or less call the last great democratic president a sell out you more or less sell out an entire generation just for talking points.

            If you are saying that admin was second worst to fascism then you are telling everyone you live in hyperbole. Everything is fascism as at that point and thus fascism has no meaning any more. Everything is fascism everything is genocide and nothing has nuance… all presidents will kill you nothing matters and every vote is vote for genocide.

            More non voters sat out the last election than those voted for trump. To repeat that… for the back seats…

            People who noped out for “reasons” elected trump. They outnumbered actual trump voters. There were more non voting voters than actual trump voters….

            So keep telling everyone how shitty it is and how you’d prefer a false equivalence compared to civic participation.

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    inexplicable? this is what they do. this is what they’ve done as long as I’ve been aware.

    has this woman ever met a senate dem? this should shock exactly nobody. we all knew this was who they were. that’s why nobody voted for them-the fascists would do a coup, and they would just hand over power, so what would the point have been?

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    I have been thinking about this and im no longer sure this was a bad move. With what trump is doing now in tearing apart the government. It can be fought in the courts. With a shutdown he would have cart blanche to furlough anyone he wants and keep paying his insiders and the courts could not say boo because shutdown. Further he could say all bad effects are because of the democrats because shutdown. At least now the courts can fight it and the bad effects are all from his poor decisions.

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      Even if the right move was “give up and do what the Republicans want,” they still did a terrible job. House Democrats held the line and stuck their necks out, only to get blindsided, and Schumer shouldn’t have signaled that there’d be a fight right before he caved. The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, and only a handful of people in the party seem to even be trying to do anything.

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        I can agree with the second part but the first part is just a phrasing to make it sound bad. I mean the move to use the republicans blunder against them sounds a lot better. I don’t really know what internal talk went with the democrats but I would not be surprised if it was somewhat like what we see online but with the membership with some saying we can’t go with anything they do on principle and others saying wait a second doing that will be overall worse.

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      Federal courts can still operate after government shutdown. While most of their funding comes from the Congress, they have their reserve funds and others sources like fees from court document filings.

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        they can operate but because of the shutdown employees have to be furloughed and they can choose anyone. when they fire someone it can be done without cause or break laws that can allow the courts to undo it but there will be little ability to undo a furlough that is because of a shutdown.

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      You’re missing a fundamental truth here. They control the government. If they wanted to shut it down they could have done that. This bill was better for them than a straight up shut down.

      There’s also the other problem which is if someone needs your votes on a bill to pass it then you should be able to negotiate things into said bill before you vote for it. That’s politics 101. Chuck Schumer has failed at the very fundamental aspect of politics here. He gave away his vote for nothing. Or as I suspect gave it away because he’s okay with everything in the bill because it’s what he wants as well.

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        It would have looked incredibly bad for them to shut it down. They are the party in control. Its their bill. Its not like shuttding down is way better its merely a win win for them. Its only the minority party where it makes a differnece. All previous cases where the presidency was not looking to simply tear apart the government a shutdown was bad for them but since it effectively does what trump is already doing it would not really matter much for him.

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          They very very very obviously don’t care if they look bad. I honestly don’t understand how you could have any other impression. They got what they wanted. Plain and simple. They made this bill so bad that it was worse than a government shutdown and Chuck Schumer still accepted it.

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            I mean I made my point but will expand. Under shutdown. They furlough anyone they want. They say any bad effects are from the shutdown (democrats). Courts are powerless to say who gets furloughed because its a shutdown (as opposed to unlawful firings). After shutdown they fire furloughed people because hey they got by without them during the shutdown (even though they really didn’t). They got what they want either way but since the government is the only one challenging the illegal behavior its in some ways better with the shutdown especially when they can blame dems for it. I honestly think the shudown is preferable for them as long as they can say its not their fault.

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      I’m glad someone is saying this.

      While I understand people don’t want to give Trump any wins, choosing the shut the government down is the wrong hill to die on. Given the chaos that DOGE has caused, and the executive branch throwing around their power completely unchecked, shutting down the government would plunge america into chaos.

      I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Trump had a plan to frame the government shutdown as “government inefficiency” and use it to grab much more executive power.

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        Let the Republicans take the blame for bring it all down.

        Oh wait, you’re right. The Democrats would never blame them either.

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          I mean, does it really matter?

          Even if the Democrats are blaming Trump for the shutdown, what do you think would be Trump’s next move after Congress refuses to fund the government?

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    I honestly feel like they did it on purpose because they know the cuts are gonna hurt rural states more, which sucks if you’re not heartless. But hey buyer beware.