Where is the outrage? Where have all the “humans” gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.
None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.
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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp
I’m tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human
They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before
That which cannot be found I desire
Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست
گفتند یافت می نشود جسته ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
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Why would US Arabs vote for Harris? They have nothing to lose. Both parties are unwavering in their pro-genocide foreign policy, what difference does it make to the relatives they lost? A person is most concerned with their immediate relations; their family, community and homeland. After so much death and destruction, personal loss and gaslighting by the media, why would they even give a shit? When you lose family, you lose everything.
It is strange you decide to criticise the powerless Arab voters instead of the Democrats who had all the power, money and influence to stop the genocide if they wanted to. But they didn’t; they didn’t care when Rafah was bombed and they don’t care now, because they never cared about Palestinians. This would have happened even if the Dems had won. Punching down instead of punching up won’t help; it simply makes you look like a selfish person who is only concerned with their issues. Criticise those in power, who had it coming because they had all the means to prevent this.
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The genocide was enabled by the Democrats who provided the weapons and vetoes at the UN to keep it going. The Gaza Strip was already 80% destroyed before Trump became president.
I don’t know how you can trust Harris to be different when she didn’t even promise to be different than Biden.
‘Vote blue no matter who’ people like to say that it would have been different (with the implication that different would be better) but they very rarely say how.
The few times they do say how, it’s generally the work of minutes to one documentation of Biden doing the exact same thing.
So.
How?
How would it have been different? And, because I’m emotionally drained from dealing with my cat dying, I’m going to specify that it actually has to be better, not just different.
We literally told her and the Dems what needed to happen in order to get our vote: commit to BDS. But they refused, and instead ran two very different campaign ads in SE Michigan and the rest of the country. That was our compromise and that was the Dem’s choice, not ours.
Don’t forget, voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.
Yeah. But when the lesser of two evils wins, there is less evil.
You know what doesn’t happen when you abstain? Less evil.
The goal is and always should be less evil.
Less evil for whom? The Arabs who lost family and friends to this war? Once you cross the threshold of genocide, does it even matter anymore? From an Arab’s perspective, it’s like asking what is worse, the Tasmanian genocide (which killed every full-blooded Tasmanian by 1876) or the Armenian genocide? What does it matter when both were literally the most evil you can get?
I don’t fault American women/minorities for voting in their self interest. Abortion and queer rights was an issue for many people and they voted in for their rights. That’s a fault of the state. But when you lose family, friends, neighbours and country to a genocide, what does it matter? Family is the most important, after food and water. Death of family is extremely traumatic. And then telling those grieving people to go vote for a butcher against their own raging conscience and blaming them for Democrat incompetence is just evil. You voted for your self interest. They for theirs.
Less evil for the most amount of people possible as stated.
Yes, it does matter, less genocide is better than more genocide.
If they voted for Donald Trump, which an absolute fuck ton did, then no they did not. The thing about this argument is that we just had a protest organizer kidnapped publicly and loudly by this admin. That guy has family. Let’s say that the amount of deaths would be or are a 1:1 ratio in Gaza. That ratio is officially fucked because now we’re attacking US residents. So like I’ve said as many times as I can say it: We are a social species, it is a requirement that we work together to prosper, vote like it. Do the best you can do. Vote for the best outcome for the most amount of people possible.
The best possible for the most amount of people is whatever brings the destruction of the US the fastest.
Also fucking disgusting that that you bloviate about “we have to work together as a species” when you don’t even see Palestinians as human
Genocide isn’t less evil. They are exactly the same
less evil is still evil
I’m going to go ahead and add to this, if you are willing cast aside progress in the name of perfection, you will never make it to either one.
If you’re waiting for your dream candidate to come by, you’re waiting a very long time. Your vote should be to minimize pain and suffering for the largest amount of people possible. You cannot in good conscience say that a vote for Trump is that, and when it’s down to two people, you’ve just gotta do your best.
This species functions best from community, we are a social species and our success depends on how we treat each other. Even if you are the most selfish person on the planet, it’s imperative that you vote for most people’s best interest because you will gain the most from it.
Why do we have to keep telling you dipshits this insane logic doesn’t work?
If the democratic party is willing to cast aside progress (being against genocide) in the name of perfect (funding and supporting Israels genocide), you’ll never make it to the presidency.
Why is the responsibility on random voters, vs people who are actually in power and have the means to change policy with the knowledge that the policy is negatively harming their electoral chances? Why is the “electability” argument not applicable to stopping genocide as a reason to criticise democrats, versus, say, insisting we can’t have healthcare because people love insurance companies too much as a defence of why Democrats don’t support medicare for all?
Why do we justify or criticise some policies by appealing to their perceived/assumed popularity, whilst appealing to the responsibility of voters to simply accept whatever is insisted upon them in others?
Maybe if people like you engaged your fucking brain on questions like this, you might come up with some answers that, however uncomfortable they are for you right now, might make you stop defending genocide as a means to divert responsibility from those in power to those who politicians are meant to be appealing to in order to win an election.
I’ll be generous and say you’ve got about 300 million other Americans you need to convince of this… most simply don’t give a shit about Palestine or any other external conflicts. You’re raging at the wrong people.
If we could magically make the bad guys go away, we would. But the sensible population in America is very small and numbers are dwindling.
So we try to go with the best we’ve got, which didn’t happen this time around. I wish things were different.
Show me where I defended genocide. If you’re going to come in here in bad faith and a shitty attitude, at minimum be correct.
this form of propaganda is a false framing of reality to encourge people to vote with the seemingly “less evil” option while ignoring it’s consequences down the road and is a trap that will only present you with “less evil” options each and every time until the ultimate evil is reached anyways, like it has for the gazans.
no one believes that trump is any less evil about any democrat and only people who have swallowed this propaganda believe that any imperialist is good for this or any genocide.
Okay, so what do we do next?
Has there been progress in the US since way back in Reagan’s time?!
Because at so many levels, from inequality and the collapse of social mobility to widespread civil society surveillance and support for Genocide abroad, the US has been constantly regressing for decades both under Democrats and Republicans.
I mean, the last actual American President passing measures that one could call “progress” was JFK. Even Obama was the President that ordered the highest number of drone murders whilst in office of all and decided that the way to save the economy after the 2008 Crash was to protect asset owners and large financial institutions - the rich, not the rest - resulting in the steep increase in social inequality and final collapse of social mobility in the US of the last decade, and which created the fertile ground for the growth of support for the likes of Trump.
From my viewpoint as an European, you’re just defending a slower regression, which is understandable but it ain’t “progress” (last chance at that was Bernie Sanders and his primary was very overtly torpedoed by the DNC), and it’s also understandable that others with strong moral convictions and even personal reasons connected to America’s continued descent into evil aren’t supporting any evil in America, even the “lesser” one that slows down the regression a bit.
You would have been absolutelly right if this election was indeed progress vs regression, but it wasn’t, it was one Genocide-endorsing candidate who chose to try to attract far-right votes by getting cozier with the likes of the Cheney family versus a Genocide-endorsing candidate who is openly a far-right populist - two forms of evil differing mainly in delivery style and how fast do they want to go rightward - you blaming people for chosing “none of the above” is pure tribalism.
There’s been both progress and regression. To try to paint it that black and white doesn’t work. Even if we do agree that it is a slower regression, that is still the first step to progress here. That would be the same thing as saying that slowing damage of climate change would be meaningless.
Unless we start murdering billionaires in the streets, this is what we have.
Drone murders was a right wing lie. Obama killed fewer than any modern President except Carter.
Drones were not yet available in mass production during Bush Jr so Bush killed hundreds of thousands with regular bombs. Obama killed only hundreds of civilians. So to twist Obama’s record into something bad, right wing media talked endlessly about drones, while completely ignoring the drastically lower number of deaths. It would be like calling Bush Sr the Stealth bomber killer because Bush Sr was the first to really use Stealth fighters in the first Gulf War.
Trump killed more in his first year with drones than Obama did in 8 years.
https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/
But as Joseph Goebels proved, if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe the lie.
Yes, but there’s less of it, which is an absolutely not debatable good thing comparatively.
Americans having to experience a fraction of the pain they heap upon others is a good thing
whether there’s less or more of it matters significantly less than whether it’s let inside a cracked door where it WILL metastasize, as evidenced by this genocide and a multitude of others.
No. You’re saying right now that you’d take stage 4 cancer over stage 1 because of the possibility of stage one getting to stage four?
No.
You genocide supporting scum deserve as much evil as possible to fall upon you.
This comment is about voting. Voting in the US at its final stages is a massive trolley problem. That’s as simple as I’m going to be able to put it. If you guys want to view me saying “do the least damage possible” is me saying “I support genocide” you’re welcome to, but I’m not going to keep entertaining it and acting like we’re all talking about the same thing.
You do support genocide, so long as it’s committed by Democrats, as you’ve demonstrated in this very thread. And I’m all for genocide supporters being crushed by the tram.
Yeah that’s not what was said. Have a good one
I sincerely doubt it.
I’m glad you found a way to blame a small amount of Muslims for this over the other… 70 million-ish people who voted for Trump.
It’s more important for democrats to not change a single thing then it is to defeat the republicans.
But don’t you see? It’s the people that voted for Harris that are at fault somehow!
Hey, your country might be actively burning, but at least you can get some happiness from the fact that that people who didn’t vote with you (they didn’t vote against you either, but that’s not perfect enough) are dying, even though your leadership explicitly kicked them out of your party.
@Blue_Morpho
STFU
It’s so disgusting to watch libs brigade these threads victim blaming while claiming that their party that was actively facilitating the genocide has some moral superiority.
The “I’m not pro-genocide I just seem to post in every thread about the situation getting worse to gloat” crowd are a wild bunch
Seriously, genocide is the lowest bar ever to clear and yet Dems somehow managed to limbo their way under it.
And now they’re pointing the finger at everything but themselves for their election loss, as if it’s not their job to run candidates that are actually… electable.
it’s especially galling when democrats themselves were the one to cause election loss; but democrats proclaim it’s the leftists that caused it.
Right. Leftists are simultaneously so irrelevant as to be not worth embracing and so numerous as to cause the loss of every election. It’s like the Dem version of “lazy migrants stealing all our jobs” cognitive dissonance.
“Enemy is both strong and weak” is the classic fascist rhetorics, plus those fascists jumped right in interesting implication of both treating leftists and muslims as enemy and somehow feeling entitled to their votes.
@yogthos it’s really infuriating
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Anyone with a lick of common sense knew how this was going to go under Trump. At least had the slightest chance to be different under Harris…
He literally was calling Biden a “very bad Palestinian” during their debate as if it was an insult…
Just going to deny that this was already happening under the democrats with the full support of Harris. Anyone who isn’t a genocide denier knew how this would go under Harris, at least we got a few weeks of ceasefire under Trump
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There was no chance that it was going to be different under Harris, and people who keep repeating this are the worst kinds of trolls.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes ya feel better. Wonder if you will still think that once Trump builds a golf course there for him and buddy Netanyahu
you actually expected people whose relatives are being bombed with American munitions, to vote for the ‘most lethal military in the world’ candidate?
You liberals are really something. But you’re here blaming Muslims for not voting. In America. You don’t seem very smart, so maybe the history of Muslims and America is lost on you.
Again: You want the victims of the American military, to turn around and vote for ‘the most lethal military in the world candidate? No wonder America is where it is today. People like you.
Trump says all the same shit and worse, so I don’t get why you’re going on about that. The whole deal with that was to try to get some of the non-crazy conservatives to vote for her as a last ditch effort on a short-run campaign. It was all about appealing to conservatives that weren’t fully on board with Trump.
American Muslims got what they voted for. You reap what you sow. I know plenty enough to realize one wasn’t as bad as the other.
Actions seem to speak louder than words here. He OK’d the attacks last night. Hope Trump reigns it in but anyone that knows anything about his psycho ass knows he is just getting started
Edit: should also mention, he’s already started deporting pro-Palestine protestors here in the US…
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I’m not the one trying to make myself feel better. I don’t even live in yankeestan. It’s the liberals like you who keep pretending that the genocidal party you support who are doing the coping here. You don’t have any moral superiority. The only difference is that Trump isn’t making any excuses and hand wringing regarding the atrocities he commits, while you do mental gymnastics to justify doing the same thing. It’s pathetic beyond belief.
Well in that case I’ll just sit back and not give a shit lol. Let Trump level that place
Ain’t gonna affect me anyways so why bother, right?
You barely even have to scratch liberals anymore and they go full fascist
Ah yes that’s why the “fascist” liberals control the government. Dumbass
that’s the liberal spirit
I love how you keep mentioning “liberal”. Conservatives just actually wanna blow them up
He’s not necessarily wrong. Muslims at least in Michigan voted exactly for this when they helped elect Trump.
the different diasporas in the US are highly likely to be reactionaries and hate their places of origin, these are american citizens after all.
And yet the call to vote for Trump was supposedly because Kamala would be worse for Palestine. While I can understand the argument that neither would be good for the region, pushing to elect Trump was always going to end this way with the added bonus of fascism here in the US.
They voted for the candidate that promised peace and wasn’t actively doing genocide. Trump lied when he promised peace, clearly, but grave dancing because voters were tricked is vile.
We should be agitating them to action instead.
Anyone that realistically thought Trump would help Palestine is a moron. Netanyahu is the person who is leading what is going on in Palestine and has applauded Trump on numerous occasions. It also wasn’t just Biden Congress was the one giving weapons to Israel and they have voting records.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024217 what do you know almost all republicans
Biden was actively going around Congress to give Israel more weapons
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The Democrats were already doing that you genocide denying fuck. At least under Trump, you BlueMAGA fascists will at least admit that it’s happening
Trump is a fascist liar. That’s a well-known fact way before the first time he was elected. There’s no excuse for having voted for him in the first place. Anyone who did so is a fucking idiot who’s only going to make the misery spread far beyond Gaza now.
I consider spreading misery to the US to be good and right: you fucks have no problem supporting the most inhuman acts to me and mine, you deserve to suffer for that.
Biden is another fascist liar. That is also a well-known fact.
And while you’re scolding voters for being idiots, the fascist is consolidating power.
We need to work together, not bicker over a mistake people made months ago. Especially since voting might not matter anymore.
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LudwigVonPseudonym loves genocide
Except that it was already happening, you were just a genocide denier about it when it was your team doing it.
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Incase anyone had any doubt that BlueMAGA lib are every bit the sadistic fascists that their red counterparts are:
How fucking unsurprising of the white supremacist fascist subhuman trash that you are that you come into a Palestine comm and assume everyone is an American. Because you literally don’t realize that non-westerners are human beings that exist in real life. Of course you’ll sleep like a baby while your government exterminates hundreds of thousands: you’re an inhuman monster who loves genocide. You’re getting exactly what you wanted.
Trump has always been a liar, this is not an excuse.
So have Biden and Harris, and they were actively in the middle of a genocide on election day