I mean, the “Civilopedia” entries for both is very lib, so that’s probably part of it. The numbers they cite in Civ IV are ~20 million deaths under Mao as well as claiming “up to 10 million dead” in an “engineered famine” under Stalin. In an interview, the original creators said they primarily did all of their research in the children’s section of the library, so that’s probably at least part of the reason for The Black Book of Communism-esque figures. Thankfully, despite eating enough of an anti-communist buffet for an entire kindergarten, they managed to have just enough sense not to put Hitler in any of the games to my knowledge. Even in the baked in WW2 mod for Civ IV, they replaced him in with Franz von Papen(still a fascist piece of shit ofc, but way less name recognition).
edit: this is just the tip of the iceberg really. reading the Civilopedia after getting back into Civ IV has given me psychic harm. The Stalin section is thoroughly packed to the brim with all of the dumb tropes we’ve gotten used to debunking. I’d make a separate post about it if I could find the text files to quote more easily.
Implementing fascism as a mechanic only for it to be unsustainable gameplaywise is a good bit tbh
Somewhat related, in Civ 4, depending on the ideology you choose, you get a specific related wonder to build
When you pick “fascism”, the wonder is Mt. Rushmore
Civ 6 would never
the series has gone insanly lib
It always was lib. The very premise and core mechanics have liberal ideology baked into it. Still play it though…
I mean they still have fascism and communism as governments
Civ IV also had Mao and Stalin in it and I often wonder how they got away with all that
I mean, the “Civilopedia” entries for both is very lib, so that’s probably part of it. The numbers they cite in Civ IV are ~20 million deaths under Mao as well as claiming “up to 10 million dead” in an “engineered famine” under Stalin. In an interview, the original creators said they primarily did all of their research in the children’s section of the library, so that’s probably at least part of the reason for The Black Book of Communism-esque figures. Thankfully, despite eating enough of an anti-communist buffet for an entire kindergarten, they managed to have just enough sense not to put Hitler in any of the games to my knowledge. Even in the baked in WW2 mod for Civ IV, they replaced him in with Franz von Papen(still a fascist piece of shit ofc, but way less name recognition).
edit: this is just the tip of the iceberg really. reading the Civilopedia after getting back into Civ IV has given me psychic harm. The Stalin section is thoroughly packed to the brim with all of the dumb tropes we’ve gotten used to debunking. I’d make a separate post about it if I could find the text files to quote more easily.
God I had no idea it was that bad. Just saw them in the game and thought oh that’s cool.
Still makes me wonder though if they really truly believe that Stalin and Mao are 500 gazillion dead why put them in the game?? Its so baffling
Making sure all of my production goes into tanks instead of tractors, and shells instead of shovels, and wondering why my people are starving
They just need to evolve the ability to consume lead
They can eat lead, that’s for sure.