Just curious

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    Reminds me of that sketch The Expert. Seems like the gist of it is analogous to he wanted to draw seven red lines, strictly perpendicular, some with green ink and some with transparent ink, and when the expert told him that’s impossible, he said, “I am richguyinnovator, hear me roar!” And reality did what reality tends to do.

    Also seemed like the media was trying really hard to turn it into some kind of real life version of The Martian, when it was pretty clear from the start it was over for those people and there was nothing heroic or brave about what the guy running it was doing; just needlessly playing on the razor’s edge of existence, living out a delusion of human supremacy over nature. I almost want to say it’s like a microcosm of capitalism as a whole in that way. The way it acts like it can dominate nature somehow, while ecosystems we depend on face collapse as a result of the unsustainable systemic practices.

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    Two weeks before 600 hundred people died in the Mediterranean trying to reach Europe through Greece, hoping for a better life, and no one cared about them. Then a touristic submarine full with shitty people that doesn’t know what to do with their stolen money (every rich person is a thief, if you have money above a certain amount you are stealing from society) explode, and the whole world cares about getting them back. Me, I say to send more rich people down the ocean, and I hope this is only the beginning: touristic space travels also promise interesting developments in this direction.

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      Space tourism is a hugely inefficient way for a handful of billionaires at a time to pop half way to orbit. There are much cheaper and less environmentally destructive ways of achieving a similar result.

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        You’re right, but in my country (Italy) classwar seems so down that sometimes I get to think that the only way to eliminate rich people is to let them do it by themselves. Sad.

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    Humans dying is always bad, there’s no reason to be happy about it.

    Some dead millionaires doesn’t make communism any closer, and the rest is just a vent for anger at them.

    Still, I feel like their riches blew the story out of the proportion. Would it be a few regular people, no one would notice.

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        Aaaand now his descendants will inherit the company anyway. It’s not even the guy who called the shots who died.

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      Humans dying is always bad,

      Wrong, at the very least, nazis dying is good

      Billionaires paying to drown will not bring communism but it’s pretty damn funny

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        Nazis figuring out they believe in bullshit is good.

        Their death should come as a last resort if they themselves come to threaten someone else (say, Jews).

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            “We’ll kill all our enemies and their voice will never be heard again” is a dead end policy, because all those ideas will emerge again, and we better know how to counter them on an ideological level.

            I’m not saying the transition to the communist society will be peaceful and nice - it won’t be - but we should differentiate between the armed resistance and brutal oppression. You won’t shut them up. But you can make your voice heard loud.

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                My point was (and is), while brutality is inevitable and we won’t take over the world by the power of word alone, we should keep it to revolutionary means, and not to building an oppressive totalitarian state that completely warps the actual meaning of “worker’s dictatorship”.

                Exterminating political enemies is necessary to lead a revolution, but it is unsustainable in the long run. Many prominent people pointed out that we should develop class consciousness and understanding of exactly why socialist/communist state is superior and vital for everyone. Just oppressing dissident thoughts will make them burst elsewhere, and at some point cracks will begin to show.

                With class consciousness and actual people’s understanding of the matter we can talk about worker’s democracy and worker’s councils (aka Soviets, ironically ruined by the Soviet state itself), and a positive development of the situation without endless struggle and fight.

                Again: yes, revolutionary process will require of us that we kill and oppress Nazis, bourgeoisie, and other elements hostile to the means of revolution - that’s necessary and we should do it. But it should be kept to the revolution and actual threats to the state, not any instance of dissident thought. You can’t continuously rule a people-first state with an iron fist, or you’ll turn in into an oppressive bloody dictatorship that benefits no one.

                As for China…the story’s a little different. It actively plays with fire on a level at which the true socialist state would already consider it a danger. If anything, I believe China makes the leash on business too loose, but it’s a tradeoff they make to be globally competitive with a big capitalist world. Should we talk about an actual socialism, what happens in China is well beyond a point at which a state should react by cracking down. In a true socialist state, no private business should be able to grow to the level that requires big intervention in the first place (and some would argue it shouldn’t exist at all).

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    Couldn’t care less, they paid for the risk, they got what they paid for. Their death very slightly decreased income inequality in the world 😂

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    It has generated some amazing memes and I have never enjoyed a billionaires death so much.