Gaza is still accessible via Egypt, supply lines can still remain open. It seems absurd to suggest Israel should be forced to aid and supply a hostile state that is currently killing their civilians. A blockade seems appropriate to me given the circumstances.
Theoretically if Mexico invaded the US we should still keep supplying them with energy, food and water while they attack us because otherwise it’s collective punishment?
But the US doesn’t require Mexico to get running water and electricity from the US and refuse to let them build their own infrastructure or get it from anywhere else…
Food and water can still get in via the Egyptian border, supply lines are still open. This isn’t a mediaeval siege, if starvation were the goal no border crossings would be allowed.
Funny how in this conflict one side is expected to adhere to international law while the other side totally ignores it, intentionally attacks civilians, takes hostages, launches missiles indiscriminately at civilian centers, etc., If Israel adopted the tactics Palestine is willing to employ there would be no Palestine.
I would guess that Palestinian civilian death counts are significantly higher, as most of the fighting has been done within occupied Palestinian territories, civilian uprisings happen against the IDF often there, Israel can bomb targets in Palestine freely causing collateral damage while they are protected by the Iron Dome, Hamas and other such groups are fighting a guerilla war by hiding among civilians, and you wouldn’t have brought it up were it not a huge ratio. 9:1?
With all the civilians they intentionally murdered the ratio is certainly moving in their favor now.
The only reason why I mentioned is of what seemed to be a disconnect from reality. Either that, or I just misunderstood.
Funny how in this conflict one side is expected to adhere to international law while the other side totally ignores it, intentionally attacks civilians, takes hostages, launches missiles indiscriminately at civilian centers, etc., If Israel adopted the tactics Palestine is willing to employ there would be no Palestine.
“if Israel adopted the tactics Palestine is willing to employ, there would be no Palestine”. How to you reconcile that kind of statement, when the ratio of dead children is 20:1?
“the other side totally ignores it, intentionally attacks civilians, takes hostages, launches missiles indiscriminately at civilian centers”
This here perfectly describes what Israel has been doing for 50 years, at a 20:1 ratio. So… if you were suggesting that this was what Palestine [sic] is to blame for… Is it?
Yeah Israel is expected to obey international law because it gets $3.8 billion a year in funding from the US to support their military. If Israel refuses to follow international law then the US is effectively giving that money to terrorists.
They should stop occupying the foreign hostile power that is presently attacking, killing, and kidnapping their civilians with guerilla attacks? Given that Hamas refuses to negotiate or make concessions in return, that sounds like bad game theory.
[Hamas’s charter,] article 13, “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”
I don’t like the fundies who are doing it or the way they treat the locals. They are clearly an encroachment on Palestinian territory, and I can understand why they represent an existential threat to Palestine and are such a point of contention.
I understand why Palestine loathes them, and why Israel ignores them. From the Israeli perspective ignoring them is good game theory. This is a reasonable, (but perhaps not ethical,) response to an enemy who refuses to negotiate a viable solution despite the realities of the situation. Unless Palestine comes to the bargaining table in good faith, willing to make some concessions, they will eventually lose everything. This puts continual pressure on them to do so, if they do not they will continue to lose territory. They have been overwhelmingly defeated time and time again but refuse to acknowledge this, leaving Israel with few viable options to deal with the threat that a hostile and belligerent Palestine represents. There’s little else they can take from them but the land, and they still seem unwilling to compromise. This will either bring them to the table or leave them without a home, either way resolving the threat in their favor.
You don’t think they don’t care about losing land they will never get back? If this didn’t matter to Palestine they wouldn’t have cited it as a motivation for this attack.
Calling the native population foreign is certainly a take.
Are you saying Palestine isn’t a state, or that Israel isn’t a state? Because if they are two states as they claim, inhabitants of one are definitely foreign to the other.
Isreal is not a legitimate state. It is a colonial project occupying Palestine. The settlers are the foreigners as they have been in every other historical case of colonialism.
That “drive them into the sea”/don’t recognize them attitude is what got us here in the first place. Like it or not there are millions of Israelis there now and they aren’t going anywhere. Everyone must live with the consequences of the past even when it was unfortunate or atrocious.
The genocide of Palestinians is not in the past, it is ongoing. And they are displaced constantly to make way for more incoming settlers. You are simply handwaving genocide because it’s status quo.
And you are handwaving away the realpolitik because you have issues with unethical behavior in the past, presumably of Sykes-Picot and the British Mandate. I agree that this was terrible, however it’s one thing to say the levant ought to belong to Palestine and the current occupants are illegitimate because of historical injustices, it’s another thing to actually take control of it. That is not a viable option for Palestine although they seem to be willing to settle for nothing less.
The real tragedy is that the killing is perpetuated by people who were simply born into these places and had no hand in what you call colonial injustices, they are merely fighting for safety, life, and loved ones due to the irrevocable trajectory of the past and its causality. They become slaves to a past that many are unwilling to accept or see from another perspective. Every atrocity makes the other’s point of view less accessible and justifies the next one.
At the end of the day, Palestine was defeated. They were defeated a long time ago. Until they are willing to accept this and make concessions for peace, the misery will continue. Israel isn’t going anywhere, and they evidently have no leverage left but acts of terrorism that burns whatever goodwill they have remaining.
Gaza is still accessible via Egypt, supply lines can still remain open. It seems absurd to suggest Israel should be forced to aid and supply a hostile state that is currently killing their civilians. A blockade seems appropriate to me given the circumstances.
Theoretically if Mexico invaded the US we should still keep supplying them with energy, food and water while they attack us because otherwise it’s collective punishment?
But the US doesn’t require Mexico to get running water and electricity from the US and refuse to let them build their own infrastructure or get it from anywhere else…
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If you were to take a guess at the ratio of Palestine civilians to Israeli civilians that have been killed in the last 50 years. What would it be?
I would guess that Palestinian civilian death counts are significantly higher, as most of the fighting has been done within occupied Palestinian territories, civilian uprisings happen against the IDF often there, Israel can bomb targets in Palestine freely causing collateral damage while they are protected by the Iron Dome, Hamas and other such groups are fighting a guerilla war by hiding among civilians, and you wouldn’t have brought it up were it not a huge ratio. 9:1?
With all the civilians they intentionally murdered the ratio is certainly moving in their favor now.
An eye for an eye, leaving the world blind.
The only reason why I mentioned is of what seemed to be a disconnect from reality. Either that, or I just misunderstood.
“if Israel adopted the tactics Palestine is willing to employ, there would be no Palestine”. How to you reconcile that kind of statement, when the ratio of dead children is 20:1?
This here perfectly describes what Israel has been doing for 50 years, at a 20:1 ratio. So… if you were suggesting that this was what Palestine [sic] is to blame for… Is it?
Yeah Israel is expected to obey international law because it gets $3.8 billion a year in funding from the US to support their military. If Israel refuses to follow international law then the US is effectively giving that money to terrorists.
The Rafah border crossing is currently closed due to an Israeli air strike. Might reopen tomorrow. Might be bombed again.
Egypt is as hostile to Gaza or worse, but they get a free pass not being Jewish.
they Israel should divest from the region and let them sort their own stuff out. instead they meddle and remain in control.
They should stop occupying the foreign hostile power that is presently attacking, killing, and kidnapping their civilians with guerilla attacks? Given that Hamas refuses to negotiate or make concessions in return, that sounds like bad game theory.
And what’s your wise opinion on the illegal settlements?
I don’t like the fundies who are doing it or the way they treat the locals. They are clearly an encroachment on Palestinian territory, and I can understand why they represent an existential threat to Palestine and are such a point of contention.
I understand why Palestine loathes them, and why Israel ignores them. From the Israeli perspective ignoring them is good game theory. This is a reasonable, (but perhaps not ethical,) response to an enemy who refuses to negotiate a viable solution despite the realities of the situation. Unless Palestine comes to the bargaining table in good faith, willing to make some concessions, they will eventually lose everything. This puts continual pressure on them to do so, if they do not they will continue to lose territory. They have been overwhelmingly defeated time and time again but refuse to acknowledge this, leaving Israel with few viable options to deal with the threat that a hostile and belligerent Palestine represents. There’s little else they can take from them but the land, and they still seem unwilling to compromise. This will either bring them to the table or leave them without a home, either way resolving the threat in their favor.
it does.not.put pressure on anyone. it just takes land. land that will never be given back.
You don’t think they don’t care about losing land they will never get back? If this didn’t matter to Palestine they wouldn’t have cited it as a motivation for this attack.
Calling the native population foreign is certainly a take. If you are a mask off dipshit that is. And yes they should stop occupying.
Are you saying Palestine isn’t a state, or that Israel isn’t a state? Because if they are two states as they claim, inhabitants of one are definitely foreign to the other.
Isreal is not a legitimate state. It is a colonial project occupying Palestine. The settlers are the foreigners as they have been in every other historical case of colonialism.
That “drive them into the sea”/don’t recognize them attitude is what got us here in the first place. Like it or not there are millions of Israelis there now and they aren’t going anywhere. Everyone must live with the consequences of the past even when it was unfortunate or atrocious.
The genocide of Palestinians is not in the past, it is ongoing. And they are displaced constantly to make way for more incoming settlers. You are simply handwaving genocide because it’s status quo.
And you are handwaving away the realpolitik because you have issues with unethical behavior in the past, presumably of Sykes-Picot and the British Mandate. I agree that this was terrible, however it’s one thing to say the levant ought to belong to Palestine and the current occupants are illegitimate because of historical injustices, it’s another thing to actually take control of it. That is not a viable option for Palestine although they seem to be willing to settle for nothing less.
The real tragedy is that the killing is perpetuated by people who were simply born into these places and had no hand in what you call colonial injustices, they are merely fighting for safety, life, and loved ones due to the irrevocable trajectory of the past and its causality. They become slaves to a past that many are unwilling to accept or see from another perspective. Every atrocity makes the other’s point of view less accessible and justifies the next one.
At the end of the day, Palestine was defeated. They were defeated a long time ago. Until they are willing to accept this and make concessions for peace, the misery will continue. Israel isn’t going anywhere, and they evidently have no leverage left but acts of terrorism that burns whatever goodwill they have remaining.