Jokes about school shootings are jokes about America and its priorities. The punchline is America and its ruthless protection of firearms, not dead kids.
Jokes about obesity are jokes about a person and their weight. They’re the subject and the punchline and there is no meaningful observation other than “I find them repulsive.”
Well the meme I saw (idk if you remember it, it was a meme with spongebob full of holes) was really about both.
But I suppose you’d say jokes about breaking out the guillotines and “eating the rich” is also about America and it’s priorities. My point is it clearly doesn’t matter how dark/cringey/unfunny those jokes are, people will upvote them because it goes with the culture of this site. People agree with the general point so they will upvote it. Whereas if I make a darker meme about a miscarriage people are booty hurt about it.
I mean we’re kind of talking about two things here. We are talking about our own philosophies about comedy, and we are also talking about the general culture of the site. I think we’re both getting a little twisted up in the Venn diagram, but they are definitely very distinct.
As far as the culture of the site goes: sure, of course it is inconsistent with some trends holding. There are a lot of people here, different people are on a different times, etc. There isn’t a whole lot we can do about it.
As far as the larger discussion about comedy, it’s just boils down to punching up vs punching down, and who is the subject of your critique. Could you say the SpongeBob thing was tasteless? Sure. But again, it’s not really “ha ha kids are dead.“ I think you would have to look into some pretty dark corners of the Internet to find that (like anti-natalist groups). The general sentiment is “America doesn’t care about children. They care about guns.“
I think the big issue is that joking about school shootings is satirical to bring up how common it is in hopes to change it, while joking about fat people is just to be mean. No one is going to change because you made fun of them, in fact it might make the problem worse as state of mind is a factor in being unhealthy.
You could probably make the same argument about abortion jokes being satirical, but I don’t think abortion jokes are made in order to enact social change. It’s usually just to be offensive. Satire is usually used to point out how ridiculous something is, the hope is that we as a society will see it and do something about it.
You can be offensive and funny at the same time. But it’s an extremely fine line, and difficult to pull off. Watch Jimmy Carr if you want to see it done properly.
You don’t get it. Only what they find funny is funny and only what they think is biggoted is actually biggoted.
Any other world view other than theirs is extremely inferior to the point of being an insult to exist.
Are you guys making your own echo chamber in the middle of an echo chamber? Seems rather echonomical ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Jokes about school shootings are jokes about America and its priorities. The punchline is America and its ruthless protection of firearms, not dead kids.
Jokes about obesity are jokes about a person and their weight. They’re the subject and the punchline and there is no meaningful observation other than “I find them repulsive.”
Well the meme I saw (idk if you remember it, it was a meme with spongebob full of holes) was really about both.
But I suppose you’d say jokes about breaking out the guillotines and “eating the rich” is also about America and it’s priorities. My point is it clearly doesn’t matter how dark/cringey/unfunny those jokes are, people will upvote them because it goes with the culture of this site. People agree with the general point so they will upvote it. Whereas if I make a darker meme about a miscarriage people are booty hurt about it.
I mean we’re kind of talking about two things here. We are talking about our own philosophies about comedy, and we are also talking about the general culture of the site. I think we’re both getting a little twisted up in the Venn diagram, but they are definitely very distinct.
As far as the culture of the site goes: sure, of course it is inconsistent with some trends holding. There are a lot of people here, different people are on a different times, etc. There isn’t a whole lot we can do about it.
As far as the larger discussion about comedy, it’s just boils down to punching up vs punching down, and who is the subject of your critique. Could you say the SpongeBob thing was tasteless? Sure. But again, it’s not really “ha ha kids are dead.“ I think you would have to look into some pretty dark corners of the Internet to find that (like anti-natalist groups). The general sentiment is “America doesn’t care about children. They care about guns.“
Yeah I agree with what you wrote here. Sorry if I seem incoherent, I’m replying to different people and its hard to keep track.
I think the big issue is that joking about school shootings is satirical to bring up how common it is in hopes to change it, while joking about fat people is just to be mean. No one is going to change because you made fun of them, in fact it might make the problem worse as state of mind is a factor in being unhealthy.
You could probably make the same argument about abortion jokes being satirical, but I don’t think abortion jokes are made in order to enact social change. It’s usually just to be offensive. Satire is usually used to point out how ridiculous something is, the hope is that we as a society will see it and do something about it.
You can be offensive and funny at the same time. But it’s an extremely fine line, and difficult to pull off. Watch Jimmy Carr if you want to see it done properly.