There has only been socialist societies like the USSR. There hasn’t been a communist society yet. China is currently working toward a socialist society. What I think you’re talking about are capitalist/imperialist countries with social safety nets built off exploitation of the 3rd world.
Anyway, the citizens in China approve of their government at a much higher rate than Americans do, and more Chinese citizens believe they live in a democracy that represents them than Americans do. So no, the vague wishy washy “power imbalance” you’re referring to is not “worse” in countries run by communists.
The U.S. is The West. It’s the hegemon. What determines if a country is a 1st world country in “the West” is if they are subservient to America or not. That’s why Japan is “the West” despite being as far east as you can get relatively. America is also coincidentally the topic of the article we’re discussing so I’m not sure why you’re trying to draw a line there either way.
And what do you mean by labor camps? The interment camps that western media has even conceded were temporary and have already closed since 2018? The ones where the estimated millions was just a number extrapolated from interviewing a handful of people? Did you even read the original report on this topic or are you just half remembering alarmist BBC articles about it
That’s not true. Japan and Australia and even South Korea are also considered western nations despite being across the Earth. Specifically because they are subservient to the U.S. and oriented their societies to serve capital and U.S. geopolitical interests.
What happened when Australia tried to seek independence from America’s leash in the 70’s? They got slapped back down into their place. South Korea was established as a fascist dictatorship by U.S. General Douglas MacArthur invading after Korea started to buck off America’s Japanese attack dog. The fascists there held hands with America while slaughtering or jailing leftists and other dissidents all the way up to the late 80’s. Despite that, they’re “western”. Only because they’re subservient to the U.S.
Can you find me a “Western” nation that opposes U.S. interests?
And no, the re-education camps are not similar to Guantanamo, since you are not tortured and you are released. You do not learn trade and language in Guantanamo Bay lmao. Also it’s interesting to me you didn’t mention Abu Ghraib
‘In the report, the scholars estimated that India suffered 165 million excess deaths due to British colonialism between 1880 and 1920. “This figure is larger than the combined number of deaths from both World Wars, including the Nazi holocaust,” they noted.’
No, Feudal China is not relevant to a discussion on the relative violence and oppression done by capitalist and socialist states, because it is neither.
Your social democratic circlejerk country of choice only exists and can only exist at the moment based on the actions of the US. It simply isn’t escapable when discussing the present state of things. It is like disparaging the crassness of a hog when you are a flee on its back; The thing you are insulting is the very basis of the thing you’re praising continuing to exist, so you cannot coherently grandstand about it.
In the West you have your entire village leveled, your wedding drone striked, and your government overthrown and replaced by fascists who use dogs to torture dissidents.
Pure vibes-based politics. You cannot name a single law the DPRK has besides “no entering or leaving without approval” “internal internet only”, and laws every other country has.
Go on
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There has only been socialist societies like the USSR. There hasn’t been a communist society yet. China is currently working toward a socialist society. What I think you’re talking about are capitalist/imperialist countries with social safety nets built off exploitation of the 3rd world.
Anyway, the citizens in China approve of their government at a much higher rate than Americans do, and more Chinese citizens believe they live in a democracy that represents them than Americans do. So no, the vague wishy washy “power imbalance” you’re referring to is not “worse” in countries run by communists.
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If the Chinese are more oppressed, why does America have 4x smaller population but more prisoners per capita AND total number?
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The U.S. is The West. It’s the hegemon. What determines if a country is a 1st world country in “the West” is if they are subservient to America or not. That’s why Japan is “the West” despite being as far east as you can get relatively. America is also coincidentally the topic of the article we’re discussing so I’m not sure why you’re trying to draw a line there either way.
And what do you mean by labor camps? The interment camps that western media has even conceded were temporary and have already closed since 2018? The ones where the estimated millions was just a number extrapolated from interviewing a handful of people? Did you even read the original report on this topic or are you just half remembering alarmist BBC articles about it
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That’s not true. Japan and Australia and even South Korea are also considered western nations despite being across the Earth. Specifically because they are subservient to the U.S. and oriented their societies to serve capital and U.S. geopolitical interests.
What happened when Australia tried to seek independence from America’s leash in the 70’s? They got slapped back down into their place. South Korea was established as a fascist dictatorship by U.S. General Douglas MacArthur invading after Korea started to buck off America’s Japanese attack dog. The fascists there held hands with America while slaughtering or jailing leftists and other dissidents all the way up to the late 80’s. Despite that, they’re “western”. Only because they’re subservient to the U.S.
Can you find me a “Western” nation that opposes U.S. interests?
And no, the re-education camps are not similar to Guantanamo, since you are not tortured and you are released. You do not learn trade and language in Guantanamo Bay lmao. Also it’s interesting to me you didn’t mention Abu Ghraib
damn thank god the u.s. doesn’t execute anybody
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okay my bad. thank god the u.s. doesn’t just “disappear or execute people if it feels like it”. close enough to exact?
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Source: vibes
Yeah, the West. Famous for not disappearing people. Famous for not having labor camps.
You’re huffing your own farts.
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‘In the report, the scholars estimated that India suffered 165 million excess deaths due to British colonialism between 1880 and 1920. “This figure is larger than the combined number of deaths from both World Wars, including the Nazi holocaust,” they noted.’
https://mronline.org/2022/12/14/british-empire-killed-165-million-indians-in-40-years/
That’s just the British in India for a forty-year period. Do you want to talk about how many people the USA has killed since 9/11?
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No, Feudal China is not relevant to a discussion on the relative violence and oppression done by capitalist and socialist states, because it is neither.
lmao what a stupid and irrelevant comment, you literally think like a 5 year old
Doubling down on the fart huffing. Propaganda and privilege got you. You’re just not a perceived threat.
You’re right, the scale is much higher in the West.
What do you think prison labor is? Have you not read the 13th Amendment?
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Your social democratic circlejerk country of choice only exists and can only exist at the moment based on the actions of the US. It simply isn’t escapable when discussing the present state of things. It is like disparaging the crassness of a hog when you are a flee on its back; The thing you are insulting is the very basis of the thing you’re praising continuing to exist, so you cannot coherently grandstand about it.
Yeah, imagine if the US imprisoned huge numbers of a particular ethnic minority and made them do forced labor for essentially free
In the West you have your entire village leveled, your wedding drone striked, and your government overthrown and replaced by fascists who use dogs to torture dissidents.
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I’m sure that means a lot to the people getting carpet bombed.
Pure vibes-based politics. You cannot name a single law the DPRK has besides “no entering or leaving without approval” “internal internet only”, and laws every other country has.
Capitalism is when you work and save money.
Gommulism no work, no save, no buy what you want
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LOL