It is still using “gay” as an insult and is a direct insult to all the people who are STILL “in the closet” because they are afraid of what people like mike johnson will do them if they pursue their own happiness.
This is right up there with “I am not insulting gay people, I am insulting motor cyclists” in terms of tone deafness that is largely indistinguishable from bigotry.
There are so many other ways to shit on this asshole. Let’s pick one that doesn’t attack our LGBTQ+ friends?
If you see someone on the street saying “Fuck you gay boy” to someone, is your first reaction “Good job. You take that power back”?
Or is it “What the fuck? Did I walk through a wormhole and end up in Arkansas again?”
When “diffus(ing) their power” is indistinguishable from bigotry: it is bigotry. It is great that you don’t mind. The people who put up with that shit just hear another voice spewing the same hate.
I disagree, that’s not what they’re doing. A better analogy would be a cop arresting a drag queen for being a drag queen when the cop was a drag queen at the same club the night before. The arrested drag queen would say, “Hey, weren’t you at the club last night as a drag queen?” Then everyone around this arrest would look into if that cop is actually a drag queen so he wouldn’t arrest anyone anymore for being a drag queen. There is a huge difference.
While I agree that it’s important to have a basis for making a claim, I don’t think it was put forth here because Johnson “is an asshole and it would be funny”. It was put forth because there’s an observable history of the loudest conservative homophobes eventually being outed as self-hating homosexuals. The focus here is on the secretly part, not the gay part.
Again, what basis is there for him being gay other than “he is an asshole and conservative assholes are often secretly gay”? Which is “he is gay because he is an asshole”
And if the issue is just that he has secrets? Say he has secrets. But that wouldn’t be as “insulting” as calling him gay. So no, the focus is not on “secretly”
Also, as mentioned: Plenty of gay folk are still afraid to “come out” because of bigots like johnson. So is this also an insult to them for having “secrets” or whatever nonsense you are using because you can’t stop calling people “gay” as an insult?
Again, what basis is there for him being gay other than “he is an asshole and conservative assholes are often secretly gay”? Which is “he is gay because he is an asshole”
The statement was made not because he’s being an asshole in general. It was because he’s being an asshole specifically targeting gays having equal rights. He could simply be a heterosexual asshole, but it’s not implausible that he has homosexual arousal and he expresses that with vocal homophobia (which would likely be due to his religion saying those impulses are sinful). There have even been studies on the phenomenon, such as here, which states:
Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
So it’s quite reasonable to take the research data that affirms the phenomenon and apply it individuals we see being very outwardly homophobic and presume that those individuals may be secretly gay.
Also, as mentioned: Plenty of gay folk are still afraid to “come out” because of bigots like johnson.
Absolutely. That’s why I will always vote against candidates who espouse such bigoted rhetoric.
But that wouldn’t be as “insulting” as calling him gay. So no, the focus is not on “secretly”
So is this also an insult to them for having “secrets” or whatever nonsense you are using because you can’t stop calling people “gay” as an insult?
Johnson, and other conservatives, would perceive “secretly gay” as an insult, but advocates for equal rights should not, because there’s nothing shameful about one’s place on the spectrum (assuming all parties are consenting adults). I did not perceive the comment to be insulting Johnson with an accusation, but rather asserting a potential context for his homophobic rhetoric and legislative agenda, and thus a reason to vote him out.
Its not entirely uncommon for homophobes to later come out as bi. They mistakenly assume their experience is universal and that sexuality is a choice for everyone as it is for them. Their hatred is deep reactionary denial of their own nature.
It is still using “gay” as an insult and is a direct insult to all the people who are STILL “in the closet” because they are afraid of what people like mike johnson will do them if they pursue their own happiness.
This is right up there with “I am not insulting gay people, I am insulting motor cyclists” in terms of tone deafness that is largely indistinguishable from bigotry.
There are so many other ways to shit on this asshole. Let’s pick one that doesn’t attack our LGBTQ+ friends?
No, it’s meant to go after people who are actively hurting gay people while hiding that they’re gay. It’s meant to diffuse their power.
If you see someone on the street saying “Fuck you gay boy” to someone, is your first reaction “Good job. You take that power back”?
Or is it “What the fuck? Did I walk through a wormhole and end up in Arkansas again?”
When “diffus(ing) their power” is indistinguishable from bigotry: it is bigotry. It is great that you don’t mind. The people who put up with that shit just hear another voice spewing the same hate.
I disagree, that’s not what they’re doing. A better analogy would be a cop arresting a drag queen for being a drag queen when the cop was a drag queen at the same club the night before. The arrested drag queen would say, “Hey, weren’t you at the club last night as a drag queen?” Then everyone around this arrest would look into if that cop is actually a drag queen so he wouldn’t arrest anyone anymore for being a drag queen. There is a huge difference.
Then maybe wait for evidence and witnesses before accusing an asshole of being gay because… he is an asshole and it would be funny?
While I agree that it’s important to have a basis for making a claim, I don’t think it was put forth here because Johnson “is an asshole and it would be funny”. It was put forth because there’s an observable history of the loudest conservative homophobes eventually being outed as self-hating homosexuals. The focus here is on the secretly part, not the gay part.
Again, what basis is there for him being gay other than “he is an asshole and conservative assholes are often secretly gay”? Which is “he is gay because he is an asshole”
And if the issue is just that he has secrets? Say he has secrets. But that wouldn’t be as “insulting” as calling him gay. So no, the focus is not on “secretly”
Also, as mentioned: Plenty of gay folk are still afraid to “come out” because of bigots like johnson. So is this also an insult to them for having “secrets” or whatever nonsense you are using because you can’t stop calling people “gay” as an insult?
Commenting on an observed phenomenon isn’t calling him gay to be insulting.
https://youtu.be/simV1ZXFsxI?si=aPymVlw5xjSQAmrw
Gay closeted Republicans railing against gay rights is a fucking trope at this point. If it was a movie, we’d shit on the writers for being lazy.
The statement was made not because he’s being an asshole in general. It was because he’s being an asshole specifically targeting gays having equal rights. He could simply be a heterosexual asshole, but it’s not implausible that he has homosexual arousal and he expresses that with vocal homophobia (which would likely be due to his religion saying those impulses are sinful). There have even been studies on the phenomenon, such as here, which states:
So it’s quite reasonable to take the research data that affirms the phenomenon and apply it individuals we see being very outwardly homophobic and presume that those individuals may be secretly gay.
Absolutely. That’s why I will always vote against candidates who espouse such bigoted rhetoric.
Johnson, and other conservatives, would perceive “secretly gay” as an insult, but advocates for equal rights should not, because there’s nothing shameful about one’s place on the spectrum (assuming all parties are consenting adults). I did not perceive the comment to be insulting Johnson with an accusation, but rather asserting a potential context for his homophobic rhetoric and legislative agenda, and thus a reason to vote him out.
Its not entirely uncommon for homophobes to later come out as bi. They mistakenly assume their experience is universal and that sexuality is a choice for everyone as it is for them. Their hatred is deep reactionary denial of their own nature.
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