you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is
want something different? you have to change the system first
that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins
Also, the only people even considering changing the system are the democrats. The democrats actually do have some forward looking people. The establishment sucks though.
it’s literally in their interests too: given how completely rigged the republicans have made things, changing the system is the democrats best selfish choice
cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians
again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options
Then don’t complain when the trolley goes one way or another.
You can’t have it both ways – if you choose not to vote, you choose to not influence the outcome. And if you aren’t trying to change the outcome, you shouldn’t bitch about what the outcome is. It’s like saying you’re fine with going anywhere for dinner, but then you spend the whole night complaining about the restaurant I picked.
What impact did you have by not voting then? What did you accomplish, and how did it further your goals? All you did was pat yourself on the back.
To your credit though, I should rephrase – you have no right to complain about something that could’ve changed if you voted. If A would get you +$500 and B gets you -$500, and you don’t vote for either, then don’t complain about losing $500.
Also I have no idea what the hell you’re trying to say there at the end.
In a different world, I would be giving my chunk of coal to the person who has a plan to keep all of us warm through the winter, with our collective coal.
In a different world, I would not be giving my chunk of coal to a dude who would use all our coal to keep his mansion toasty.
In this world, I won’t toss my chunk of coal into either dumpster fire.
I’ll just keep my piece of coal. At least get an hour of warmth before I face the actual winter.
That’s a beautiful metaphor but you’re still not acknowledging the reality of the situation where by not voting you are making the things you don’t like worse for yourself.
Except a chunk of coal has uses. An uncast vote has absolutely zero. Your vote is either +1, 0, or - 1 to a candidate (zero being not voting or third party). Not voting makes you complicit regardless. It could prevent one person from being elected. You’re always complicit. If you’re paying taxes you’re complicit.
As it turns out, we live in a society, and your at least partially responsible for what happens in that society no matter what you do.
Vote in your primaries and get involved with other things too, but not voting is an action that makes you complicit with either side being elected. At least voting for someone has the chance of losing and you not having been a part of it.
you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is
want something different? you have to change the system first
that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins
Also, the only people even considering changing the system are the democrats. The democrats actually do have some forward looking people. The establishment sucks though.
it’s literally in their interests too: given how completely rigged the republicans have made things, changing the system is the democrats best selfish choice
Biden, your lesser evil, is making America bankroll the murdering of Palestinian children.
If you vote for Biden, you are making yourself accomplice in that.
Yes. Change the system. Stop voting for The Party.
cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians
again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options
Not voting for Trump either…
Are we in the same conversation?
I explicitly said I refuse to vote for The Party.
Not touching the trolley lever is still a choice.
Absofuckinglutely.
Then don’t complain when the trolley goes one way or another.
You can’t have it both ways – if you choose not to vote, you choose to not influence the outcome. And if you aren’t trying to change the outcome, you shouldn’t bitch about what the outcome is. It’s like saying you’re fine with going anywhere for dinner, but then you spend the whole night complaining about the restaurant I picked.
Fuck you.
The fact that I didn’t vote has a MUCH LARGER impact than being complicit in being forced to choose rapist conman or genocide enthusiasts.
I choose neither. Any sane person would. Any bezos or Musk slave would press a button then hope it let’s them pee today.
What impact did you have by not voting then? What did you accomplish, and how did it further your goals? All you did was pat yourself on the back.
To your credit though, I should rephrase – you have no right to complain about something that could’ve changed if you voted. If A would get you +$500 and B gets you -$500, and you don’t vote for either, then don’t complain about losing $500.
Also I have no idea what the hell you’re trying to say there at the end.
Actually, not voting shows you don’t care one way or another, the exact opposite of your intended effect.
okay so you’re making a choice that as long as you’re not involved it’s okay for trump to win
No.
My vote is my chunk of coal.
In a different world, I would be giving my chunk of coal to the person who has a plan to keep all of us warm through the winter, with our collective coal.
In a different world, I would not be giving my chunk of coal to a dude who would use all our coal to keep his mansion toasty.
In this world, I won’t toss my chunk of coal into either dumpster fire.
I’ll just keep my piece of coal. At least get an hour of warmth before I face the actual winter.
That’s a beautiful metaphor but you’re still not acknowledging the reality of the situation where by not voting you are making the things you don’t like worse for yourself.
Except a chunk of coal has uses. An uncast vote has absolutely zero. Your vote is either +1, 0, or - 1 to a candidate (zero being not voting or third party). Not voting makes you complicit regardless. It could prevent one person from being elected. You’re always complicit. If you’re paying taxes you’re complicit.
As it turns out, we live in a society, and your at least partially responsible for what happens in that society no matter what you do.
Vote in your primaries and get involved with other things too, but not voting is an action that makes you complicit with either side being elected. At least voting for someone has the chance of losing and you not having been a part of it.
giving your lump of coal to the guy that keeps his mansion warm is better than giving it to the guy that uses it to light a fire to burn witches
again, it’s the choice between mostly ineffective and actually malicious