• Dick Justice@lemmy.world
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    Hate to tell you this… I don’t know if you have kids yet, but it absolutely does not matter how you raise them, if they’re gay they’re gay. The only thing you’re teaching your children, if they are gay, is that their father probably will hate them if he finds out, and they better hide in the closet until they grow up and can escape you. Nothing else. LGBTQ is not the result of poor parenting, friend, it’s genetic.

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        “I have yet to meet a single person from my culture who is LGBTQ+, so they must not exist. It can’t possibly be that my culture has violently sigmatised their existence to the point that they don’t feel safe coming out.”

        “This study can’t definitively prove that sexual orientation has a genetic element, so it must not have any genetic component at all.”

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            So every book should not have any relationships, right? If indoctrination is bad and wrong, it’s bad for everyone, right? No books should include heterosexual relationships, right? No books should discuss gender heteronormativity, right?

            There’s nothing wrong with being gay, or being trans-gendered. There’s also nothing wrong with being straight or cis-gendered. There’s also nothing wrong with talking about these things or anyone seeing them. If there is something wrong with one, it’s wrong for the others too, unless one is somehow better than the others. If one is better than the others, please elaborate on your reasoning, and before you do understand many animals naturally are gay so an appeal to nature is not an acceptable argument.

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              my friends male biegel humps the shit out of my leg every time I go over there. That dog is just horny and looking for anything breathing to hump, that does not make him gay. And you are right there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans (AFAIK). But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not. I’ve certainly not embraced the extreme doctrines of my upbringing towards LGBT people, but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I’m certain that it’s not even slightly biological and it’s how they’re raised by a strong male role model or lack of.

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                but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I’m certain that it’s not even slightly biological and it’s how they’re raised by a strong male role model or lack of.

                That’s not how any of this works. You can steer a kid towards a cishet worldview all you want, but that won’t make a kid any less LGBT.

                And biology does play a role in determining a person’s sexual orientation and gender identity. Being raised with a “strong male role model” isn’t really a factor either, sunshine.

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                Nah, dude. They’re fucking gay. Your friend’s beagle is horny, not gay. He doesn’t even know that you’re male or female most likely, because you’re not the same species.

                But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not.

                Nope. Wrong again. Mine told me it’s wrong too. I just realized that’s stupid. There’s no right or wrong with any of it. Religion is stupid, because there’s thousands of mutually exclusive religions. The odds of you being right are next to zero. Same for beliefs on gender. None of them are probably “correct” (as far as something can be correct on that) so everyone should just be as accepting as possible to other beliefs and let people be happy. There’s nothing to be gained by being an asshole or restricting what other people are allowed to do.

                Unless you can give me a reasoned argument why straight people are any more acceptable than others, you should stop trying to restrict what others can do. Straight people have pushed their rules on other people for far too long. (Nature is not an acceptable reason for the argument because, as I’ve pointed out, many animals are not straight naturally.)

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          I rarely use Wikipedia as a source, but this boils it down so well. Europeans & Asian countries have practiced homosexuality for centuries, we (Africans & Middle Easterners) do not practice this, nor do we encourage our children to go out and seek an LGBT life so there is no closets they need to come out of.

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            You may not know about them, and they won’t tell you, but they exist. I lived with a Saudi for a while in college who was bi-sexual. He couldn’t tell anyone anytime he was there, but when he was allowed to be open about it some people were allowed to know.

            Just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It only means that people suffer. They’re still gay, but they’ll participate in society as straight because they have to.

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            Ohh, so gay people hide their homosexuality when same sex relationships are shunned by their friends and family? What a shocker.

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              Comes from a culture that condemns gay people to death.

              “I’ve never seen a gay person where I’m from. It most certainly has to do with the masculine way my culture raises our kids, and not the stoning to death part.”

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        People literally get insurance in case their ram is gay. It’s common and natural, and I’m pretty sure it isn’t because those rams were indoctrinated.

        There are gay people around you. They just haven’t told you because you’re a fucking bigot.

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          I’m pretty sure it isn’t because those rams were indoctrinated.

          The vast majority of mammalian species have high single digit percentage of gay members.

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          Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans so I’m the farthest thing from a bigot. I just want hetro cis kids because of my upbringing and culture but you’re judging me for wanting that so who’s the bigot here bud?

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            Except I have yet to meet a single person from my culture be LGBTQ. As far as Europeans/Asians that’s been part of their culture for thousands of years and there’s nothing wrong with that.

            Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans

            What? I’m assuming your upbringing is different from the culture you’re a part of now. You are in a culture that is accepting of non-heteronormative things and you don’t even realize it. Please examine what this means to you and why you hold the beliefs that you hold, and try to understand why they’re important to you. Also, check to see if they’re benificial or better left in the past. Your culture is a choice. It’s not some intrinsic unchanging thing.