I went into that thread to talk to them but holy fuck, these replies are essentially demanding trans people self harm
Large concentration of trans people on hexbear just goes to show that not all queer people are cool people, and we’re not automatically going to have anything more in common just by sharing a part of our identity. I don’t think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.
No you in fact do share a lot, it’s been my experience overwhelmingly that our experiences are very uniform. I can talk and relate to people from all over the globe trivially, things are that shit for us everywhere. This sort of rhetoric is detrimental to the survival of the trans community, and is purely for the sake of ideology. For fucks sake, 90% of trans people are socialist. This is essentially encouraging trans people to check out of the community that helps them most (and I have had one person internalize this argument in person! It led to total self ostracization of help for ideological reasons). Sectarianism is so fuckin ridiculous, and is even more ridiculous in the trans community. In my view, it’s incredibly important to have large non corporate trans spaces, it is easier to translate online activity to real world activity with trans people because we’re desperate to get good things happening. This rhetoric tries to interdict that
tankies are worse because they should know better than to do around the clock propaganda for authoritarian homophobic states
Trans people get food and housing in these states, which is the biggest issue to fix in the west, based on my experience working with people. Mutual aid and charity have unfortunately been unable to tackle this completely, and regardless, the rhetoric before interdicts even anarchist mutual aid
most people have no authority-consciousness but marginalized people absolutely do, and yet some of us choose to use that consciousness to push for more authority, convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it’s obscene
Norman Finkelstein is right? apparently radlibs really do only care about LGBT for building their social capital as fashionable
I don’t think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.
convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it’s obscene
lol how’s your “liberatory free markets” doing in Ukraine after leftoids heroically SMASHED THE STALINIST STATE in the 2014 coup? Remember that psychotic genocidal trans who was fired for being too mask off in their obscenity? Hmm
I’ve seen these places personally, members of the communist parties in these places are real people who work very hard to create a better future for their community and the world.
I know this is a bit account mocking a truly pathetic online anarchist, but the rhetoric that members of communist parties are in actuality selfish and looking to simply enrich themselves is absolutely enraging. It’s projection, simply, it’s absolutely not the reality in any way whatsoever.
Yeah I’m aware, very special. Doesn’t bother me, it’s just sad that they’re hurting themselves and encouraging others to do so. Also saying that stat is incorrect is nonsense, I polled a large lgbt org for that number, over 100 trans people so likely very representative for my area which statistically should have around 1000 trans people. There have been more systematic estimates suggesting 80% are hard left. Could be involvement in an org boosts it by 10%
They can say China doesn’t have free shelters or cheap as hell housing all they want, I have contact with many trans groups in China that handle mutual aid, I take their word over ziqs or checks notes the fucking Economist. Id really like to increase the Chinese speaking community here so you can hear it direct from them. It’s still not a picnic but the conditions are different, which is unique.
I was going to say, if a minor is disowned by their family (or even an adult is kicked out and has no home anymore), isn’t it explicit state policy that they be given some kind of housing? Aren’t the homeless in China are mostly people who nominally do have a home but live on the streets elsewhere (especially people from the country seeking an income in cities)?
I’ve only read here and there about policies and such, is this consistent with what your people tell you?
Edit: Some fucker in that thread quoting Friere is so annoying, he was a Marxist! And of course these self-proclaimed anarchists are going to take The Economist’s word on China. What wretched fucking morons.
Edit 2: I need to stop looking at that website. Look at this shit. To the right of Robert Conquest on Soviet history, quoting Orwell, and of course being uncritical about sources when it owns the tankies. When people say that anarchism is extraordinarily vulnerable to Useful Idiocy, this is exactly what they mean. I don’t think they are feds (too low-value an operation) but this shit is basically just an ineffective version of what feds would do.
That is for sure the case in Cuba, and in fact you can disown your parents in Cuba and they still have to help you monetarily on top of the free housing. Unsure about the specifics in China, could ask around
Yeah there is a real issue with transient homelessness particularly undocumented homelessness, but that’s more of an information issue. I’ve seen interviews where a lot of homeless in this situation are people prone to being tricked and trafficked, so it’s a black market issue that needs to be handled.
I’ve heard about there being a huge human trafficking problem in China (though I think that extends to many Asian countries both liberal and socialist), and I wonder what the root of it is. There are some niches of obvious specialized demand, like the trafficking of people (even unwillingly in some cases!) from the DPRK, but I don’t understand why sex trafficking is such a stubborn issue even at the rather large scale it exists in.
Yeah it’s something that requires a large study, which I’m sure China is down to tackle, just for whatever reasons there are issues in implementation. It’s easy to build a dam, much harder to have perfect information
I do recall in that interview the person was very obviously senile, it must be hard to help someone when they don’t remember how they were wronged, just that they were
I went into that thread to talk to them but holy fuck, these replies are essentially demanding trans people self harm
No you in fact do share a lot, it’s been my experience overwhelmingly that our experiences are very uniform. I can talk and relate to people from all over the globe trivially, things are that shit for us everywhere. This sort of rhetoric is detrimental to the survival of the trans community, and is purely for the sake of ideology. For fucks sake, 90% of trans people are socialist. This is essentially encouraging trans people to check out of the community that helps them most (and I have had one person internalize this argument in person! It led to total self ostracization of help for ideological reasons). Sectarianism is so fuckin ridiculous, and is even more ridiculous in the trans community. In my view, it’s incredibly important to have large non corporate trans spaces, it is easier to translate online activity to real world activity with trans people because we’re desperate to get good things happening. This rhetoric tries to interdict that
Trans people get food and housing in these states, which is the biggest issue to fix in the west, based on my experience working with people. Mutual aid and charity have unfortunately been unable to tackle this completely, and regardless, the rhetoric before interdicts even anarchist mutual aid
Specters still haunting
Norman Finkelstein is right? apparently radlibs really do only care about LGBT for building their social capital as fashionable
lol how’s your “liberatory free markets” doing in Ukraine after leftoids heroically SMASHED THE STALINIST STATE in the 2014 coup? Remember that psychotic genocidal trans who was fired for being too mask off in their obscenity? Hmm
CyberStalin
They’re trolling you now https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/178095/i-suppose-gulags-are-sorta-food-and-shelter-congrats
Lmao gulags? Prison slavery is legal in the US, and those prisons are privately owned with quotas to meet.
But please, lecture me about gulags
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I’ve seen these places personally, members of the communist parties in these places are real people who work very hard to create a better future for their community and the world.
I know this is a bit account mocking a truly pathetic online anarchist, but the rhetoric that members of communist parties are in actuality selfish and looking to simply enrich themselves is absolutely enraging. It’s projection, simply, it’s absolutely not the reality in any way whatsoever.
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Yeah I’m aware, very special. Doesn’t bother me, it’s just sad that they’re hurting themselves and encouraging others to do so. Also saying that stat is incorrect is nonsense, I polled a large lgbt org for that number, over 100 trans people so likely very representative for my area which statistically should have around 1000 trans people. There have been more systematic estimates suggesting 80% are hard left. Could be involvement in an org boosts it by 10%
They can say China doesn’t have free shelters or cheap as hell housing all they want, I have contact with many trans groups in China that handle mutual aid, I take their word over ziqs or checks notes the fucking Economist. Id really like to increase the Chinese speaking community here so you can hear it direct from them. It’s still not a picnic but the conditions are different, which is unique.
I was going to say, if a minor is disowned by their family (or even an adult is kicked out and has no home anymore), isn’t it explicit state policy that they be given some kind of housing? Aren’t the homeless in China are mostly people who nominally do have a home but live on the streets elsewhere (especially people from the country seeking an income in cities)?
I’ve only read here and there about policies and such, is this consistent with what your people tell you?
Edit: Some fucker in that thread quoting Friere is so annoying, he was a Marxist! And of course these self-proclaimed anarchists are going to take The Economist’s word on China. What wretched fucking morons.
Edit 2: I need to stop looking at that website. Look at this shit. To the right of Robert Conquest on Soviet history, quoting Orwell, and of course being uncritical about sources when it owns the tankies. When people say that anarchism is extraordinarily vulnerable to Useful Idiocy, this is exactly what they mean. I don’t think they are feds (too low-value an operation) but this shit is basically just an ineffective version of what feds would do.
That is for sure the case in Cuba, and in fact you can disown your parents in Cuba and they still have to help you monetarily on top of the free housing. Unsure about the specifics in China, could ask around
Yeah there is a real issue with transient homelessness particularly undocumented homelessness, but that’s more of an information issue. I’ve seen interviews where a lot of homeless in this situation are people prone to being tricked and trafficked, so it’s a black market issue that needs to be handled.
I’ve heard about there being a huge human trafficking problem in China (though I think that extends to many Asian countries both liberal and socialist), and I wonder what the root of it is. There are some niches of obvious specialized demand, like the trafficking of people (even unwillingly in some cases!) from the DPRK, but I don’t understand why sex trafficking is such a stubborn issue even at the rather large scale it exists in.
Yeah it’s something that requires a large study, which I’m sure China is down to tackle, just for whatever reasons there are issues in implementation. It’s easy to build a dam, much harder to have perfect information
I do recall in that interview the person was very obviously senile, it must be hard to help someone when they don’t remember how they were wronged, just that they were